Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

he might confiscate your cds

(assuming you have any of his)

I have Smiths CDs that I am considering ditching

really hope that dude puts all of his effort into a Fuck Morrissey website

I've got a shit load of Morrissey stuff on vinyl but I won't put up a fight... according to the Mozzapedia he has been known to sink up to ten pints of Stella in a session and I'm not fighting anyone who is on the combat lager.

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oh great

what did he do now?

he killed somebody

lol

he didn't, right?

he didn't, McDonald's did

I don't find the Morrissey quote about Norway offensive. He's not condoning the attacks in any way, just denouncing what ,in his mind, is equally reprehensible. He's still a twat for of other things he's said though.

Yeah, and it's not like he didn't wait until all those children were buried before harnessing his bizarre claims on to the back of Norway's biggest mass murder in recorded history... oh, hang on. He didn't.

I'd say, statistically there's a relatively 'good' chance that a distraught parent in Norway is taking down a Morrissey poster from a bedroom wall as we speak...

And speaking as a vegetarian of 27 years, what he is claiming is fucking derranged.

I don't find the Morrissey quote about Norway offensive. He's not condoning the attacks in any way, just denouncing what ,in his mind, is equally reprehensible. He's still a twat for of other things he's said though.

― daavid, Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:44 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

All about that last sentence of yours tbh. It's not offensive, it's just ridiculously stupid and basically troll-behaviour to say a thing like this.

And I, too, say that as a vegetarian.

It is not offensive if you believe that he is as truly hurt by the killing of animals as he is by the killing of people. He's not saying: "Oh that Norway thing is as irrelevant as chickens dying every day" It's the other way around. Not that I agree with his views.

We all live in a murderous world, as the events in Norway have shown, with 97 dead. Though that is nothing compared to what happens in McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Shit every day.

He is more hurt by the killing of animals than he is by the killing of people. I think this is what people are reacting against.

Seeing as insane equivalence is the order of the day... I'd be pretty pissed off if the Dalai Lama popped up and said, 'Well, they all must have been wankers in a previous life.' It would probably be a deeply held belief of his but the idea that it wouldn't be offensive, is unreal.

XP: I'm not saying people can't believe this shit but it's the equivalent of the NRI turning up in town the day after Virginia State to hold a rally.

NRA sorry.

I'd be pretty pissed off if the Dalai Lama popped up and said, 'Well, they all must have been wankers in a previous life.'

it would be funny if he was saying that about chickens though

he killed somebody

our fandom!

It is not offensive if you believe that he is as truly hurt by the killing of animals as he is by the killing of people. He's not saying: "Oh that Norway thing is as irrelevant as chickens dying every day" It's the other way around. Not that I agree with his views.

― daavid, Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:52 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Indeed. It is not so much as offensive - it is too ridiculous a comparison for that - as it is bloody stupid to compare in the first place. It would be like saying to Mozzer: "Yeah well, screw all those animals, what about the fucking rainforests being chopped down mahnn?"

It's a provocation for the sake of it, and none other. Which is NAGL.

daavid, have you heard of false equivalence or are you being dense?

the thing is, he could have said something about the tragedy and then said something about animals being killed without linking them

...or just for once just said he felt bad about the murders and left his flaccid career and need to be some kind of mainstream press outsider out of it.

I look forward to the 'Who has the worst influence - Moz or Vag?' poll with some interest.

basically, he's a big dummy

Vag will always have more influence. Varg on the other hand...

He is more hurt by the killing of animals than he is by the killing of people. I think this is what people are reacting against.

^^^ this is sort of par for the course with hardcore vegans/vegetarians tho. misplaced loyalties.

frankly this seems like a "posts very much in character" position for Mozzer to take, not surprised (or particularly offended) at all

he could have said something about the tragedy and then said something about animals being killed without linking them

That's what makes it insensitive

He is more hurt by the killing of animals than he is by the killing of people. I think this is what people are reacting against.

He doesn't specifically say that though, I don't think. The way I interpreted what he said is that were "97 dead" in Norway, but a far greater number of beings were killed by McDonalds et al every day. Which is tactless in the extreme, but not untrue.

the funniest part of the whole thing is that no animals are actually killed in either McDonald's or KFC (or as he puts it, KFS)

plus he's assuming that KFC uses chickens in its food.

oh they probably kill some rats or cockroaches, I would think

xp

He was talking about the insectocutor you heartless bastard DJP.

misplaced loyalties.

That's one way to call it. A way I don't particularly care for tbh (speaking as a vegetarian here). "We" in essence don't have more loyalty to humans than to animals or other living organisms imho (we humans are built from the same stock-raw materials). But it's apples and pears. Mozzer is just willfully creating an upset here.

All the people I have met in my life that care more about animals than humans proved to be first class querulants. Mozzer certainly qualifies.

http://www.nachi.org/images10-2/roach.jpg

This beautiful creature must die

god bless america ;_;

"We" in essence don't have more loyalty to humans than to animals or other living organisms imho

yes here is where we part ways, so to speak

Read on, Shakey, I think we agree and travel the same road still

A Facebook contact of mine named him music's equivalent of Norwegian author Knut Hamsun (who was a nazi during WW2): A brilliant artist, but ideologically not quite there....

Damn you've got big roaches.

it's also frustrating because this type of stuff discredits animal rights and factory food issues that are really important because ppl think "oh those peta people are soooo crazeee"

XXXXXP Well, as a hardcore vegetarian I couldn't disagree more. I don't care about the fate of one individual cow or sheep. It's the whole factory farming industry and the crippling effect, processed meat in the form of fast food has on low income communities that bothers me. But I'll admit I'm probably in a minority when it comes to this.

add me to the choir of veg heads who wish morrissey would shut his fucking maw

exactly. I'm on board with the fair and humane treatment of animals in regards to factory food. it's when people go into "you should never kill animals ever, even for food" territory that I get a bit o_O. but that's a stark minority of people (I only know of one person in my life who is vegetarian for that reason)

I can totally see Mozzer, in the light of such a tragedy, saying "but what about all the 80s miners that lost their jobs?!". Now it's animal rights, but it could be anything he throws against what happened in Norway. It is querulant trolling.

I can totally see Mozzer, in the light of such a tragedy, saying "but what about all the millions of cockroaches killed yearly by cans of Raid?"

lol

I have heard Morrissey referred to on these very forums as some sort of amazing, gifted lyricist who really has a way with words. I have never agreed with this view and I submit as further evidence the fact that he couldn't come up with anything more clever than "Kentucky Fried Shit". Really, Morrissey?