amy winehouse - C or D? [RIP 7/23/11]

not the lols, some lols. he was also a dick who sent hateful trash to some of my favorite ppl here. even I (kind of notoriously the most orthodox-thinking dude around here! iirc) won't go "you're a dick so no lol/otm for you"

Something weird abt this whole conversation to me. "its ok not to be reverant about mj cuz he fucked kids" ... Like what? I brought up mj bcuz I thought the tone of the board had shifted not because it makes sense to be more irreverant abt mj (highly arguable imo but also a weird gross thing to bother arguing abt)

the tone of the board has def shifted

Once you quit smoking/drinking/drugs too I guess, you think everyone could do it because you (think you definitively) succeeded. So you call them weak, they call you annoying and they smoke/drink one just to annoy you back, in my experience. Only people who want to stop want to stop.

No idea if this is still relevant to the discussion btw

Public figures are either open targets or theyre not, ymmv, but acting like it makes sense that wed be more respectful of winehousr is o_O

I actually got really upset & fucked up about AW dying even though I didn't give a shit about her music so as should be clear to all by now I'm just working out my own issues on this thread

amy winehouse was a very talented drug addict whose death was tragic but explicable. mj was a genius but also a 40 year saga played out in the most possible public way, with bizarre and possibly criminal turns galore, and a finale that was shocking. people had a long time to build up any number of equally held but seemingly conflicting takes on the man. whereas winehouse had an eight year career, four of which she was out of whack, and two albums, so not much to say beyond so sad.

not much to say about her death. plenty to say about how her career played out vis a vis the media, and her music.

this doesn't take a genius to parse out.

^ strongo otm x3

I think today shows how many ppl were really rooting for her to recover, maybe more than I expected. Even cynical news types were just ... sad.

Like most I wasn't shocked to hear this but I was interested in her new album when it was mentioned after her final performance a month ago.

it makes me think of like 4chan (also a guarantee that they were never ever funny)

It's been reduced to people whining about being forever alone and obsessions with actresses on most boards.

Once you quit smoking/drinking/drugs too I guess, you think everyone could do it because you (think you definitively) succeeded. So you call them weak, they call you annoying and they smoke/drink one just to annoy you back, in my experience. Only people who want to stop want to stop.

yeah this is otm

I get really upset when talented junkies die.

she wasn't so talented tho, unless i'm missing something.

she had a lovely voice, she was zaftig before the kit kicked in, she was 27, the age i turned today, when she died. i feel for her. rip.

because he was like the undisputed best poster ILX ever had, for starters

― Dave Coolaid for Sade (Whiney G. Weingarten)

never sb whiney ever again. guy gets it.

poor girl, kind surprised reading this how many of you like her music

problem with the Dom tweet is that it's pretty lame by his standards.

xp MJ is arguably the most famous black dude of all time... def a different situation.
― billstevejim, Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait, what does him being black have to do with it
― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

It doesn't have to do with anything other than explaining his fame.. He was ridiculously famous when compared to anyone, let alone Amy Winehouse... His death was more of an "event" thant most over the past few years..

i don't think his fame can be explained by "he was black", but alright

I'm with strongo.

i'll now cede the rest of my time to the king http://twitter.com/#!/normmacdonald/status/94937365151367168

o jeez

this is so very sad.

RIP Amy.

Bugger.

i'll now cede the rest of my time to the king http://twitter.com/#!/normmacdonald/status/94937365151367168

Assholes gotta stink.

Happy birthday jim in glasgow

Just remembered this happened. My heart's a bit broken today. RIP Amy

Loved the songs I heard and the presence she had

:-(

she wasn't so talented tho, unless i'm missing something.

you are. she was so much more than a amazing voice, which no end of faux-60s retro chanteuses that followed in her wake failed to understand. her songs were great, charismatic, sad, and so full of life, and that's why people give a shit about her.

i keep thinking about a show i saw her play at bush hall around the time Frank came out, and she was so vivacious, so full of life. was stunned to see her circa back to black, all junked out and skinny. i really thought she'd pull it together somehow, and really hoped she would, because, beyond the simple human tragedy of a young girl dying, she was really hugely talented.

she was so much more than a amazing voice, which no end of faux-60s retro chanteuses that followed in her wake failed to understand. her songs were great, charismatic, sad, and so full of life, and that's why people give a shit about her.

yeah this is really the essence of it. she was a great, great songwriter.

so truly sad.

oh mother of earth the wind is hot
i tried my best but i could not

Oh well, we've got lots of people typing RIP now, it's what she would have wanted

also a few people clicking SB

This is actually very good and worth a read:

http://www.russellbrand.tv/2011/07/for-amy/

oh mother of earth the wind is hot
i tried my best but i could not

― estela, Sunday, 24 July 2011 11:43 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

<3

I'll never understand having such a personal emotional reaction to a celebrity's death that snarkiness hurts or offends you. But diff'rent strokes...

I'll never understand having such a personal emotional reaction to a celebrity's death that you think a RIP thread needs snarkiness. But diff'rent strokes...

Stan otm

I'll never understand the sort of personal callousness that leads someone to believe that because a human being is a "celebrity," that somehow precludes basic human decency and dignity with regards to discussing their death. But diff'rent strokes..

I like this new Never Understand/Diff'rent Strokes meme.

I never understood "Diff'rent Strokes."

dropping an e can impair comprehension what a horribly formed joke

Schlump is your dn a reference to the short-lived jewsrock.org?

I'll never understand the sort of personal callousness that leads someone to believe that because a human being is a "celebrity," that somehow precludes basic human decency and dignity with regards to discussing their death. But diff'rent strokes..

― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:30 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

c/p this into every ilx rip thread imo

Schlump is your dn a reference to the short-lived jewsrock.org?

i think so yeah; i was reading something somewhere which featured a piece by a contributor, containing the snappy description.

I successfully pitched a piece about Norman Greenbaum to that site and never finished it. He was such a boring interview that I couldn't find any angle -- he basically has a script he sticks to and won't deviate from. The script would be interesting if there weren't already several other pieces floating around the net relying on it.

<3 u man

I responded to one friend who made the standard "why do people talk about this when norway etc etc" claim. Not like I knew Amy Winehouse personally but I liked her music and I know enough people who are trainwrecking their way through their 20s to feel slightly more personally connected and vocal.

― mh, Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mh, thank you for this. I was trying to put together my thoughts on this matter when I read your post. I quoted you in response to a friend saying he wished people cared as much about Norway's problems as they do about "a boring singer who had every opportunity in life and chose to throw it away."

ppl who tell you that you need to prioritize yr caring or whatever are unbelievably tedious.

Otm. This zero sum gain thinking is stupid. Can we not care about and discuss more than one thing?

Honestly the smugness of such sentiment says more about them than the people they criticize. It's no better than saying "people are starving in Ethiopia, how dare you be upset about something much smaller!"