amy winehouse - C or D? [RIP 7/23/11]

but i mean, i do have to say it is a little weird ILX is being so reverent about all this. the jay reatard thread had a "good riddance to bad rubbish" within the first six hours.

would guess that most of those people had never heard his music.

really tho, jay reatard's death was obv shitty but there's such a lineage of out of control punk dudes flaming out early that it's not as shocking as something like this

I don't really care about her music I think it's not a bad idea to be reverent towards pretty much every death in the world that isn't OBL, there doesn't have to be an argument and it doesn't have to be a contest over who you should be more or less reverent for or whether this is more important than some other event

but I think*

how dare you speak ill of our glorious leader

idk J0rdan. I mean...Winehouse is like Pete Doherty: every time you see a news item on her, you expect it to be "Winehouse is dead." She's the punk icon at the celebrity level, which is its own trope. I think the shock here is a sort of weird class-relations thing: if I had the kind of money/power (not political power, but wealth is power) that she had, you can bet your ass that I'd take care of myself. It's incomprehensible to me that somebody who gets to that level doesn't say, fuck it, I'll drop 100k on getting myself clean. What junkie actually loves his junkiedom? not many in my experience; most of them always talk about getting clean, but the prospect of being clean & poor vs. high & poor is too unattractive to pursue. So it's kind of - bizarre, hard to understand - that she died in her illness.

I was hoping that she had a little bit of Keef genetics and could pull through. I just wish it didn't feel so inevitable.

Notably, there's a thread on Amy Winehouse over there right now, and this is the most-favorited comment

― mh, Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:37 PM Bookmark

Yeah, my sister (who, coincidentally, got out of rehab today. I'm happy to see her so healthy!) and her struggles with addiction have definitely informed my reaction to this.

i...can't tell if aero is trolling? but i pretty much strongly disagree with everything he is saying

for one thing he's capitalizing the first words of each sentence, which is throwing me off

Not to further derail but there was more than dubious evidence in both instances of MJ being arrested. I still don't believe he was guilty.

I do agree they were diff situations, though.

I also do regret my comments on the Anal Cunt thread about Seth, as looking back they were poor taste.

Also hoping this thread doesn't further diverge into people projecting heavily onto others.

I didn't read the trial transcripts, but at the very least, MJ had extremely distorted boundary issues with children.

I hope it does!!

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i...can't tell if aero is trolling? but i pretty much strongly disagree with everything he is saying

I don't troll like that, I may get pretty wound up & irrational but I don't post shit I don't mean to get a response & think anybody who does is, like, 5 years old tops

I don't post shit I don't mean to get a response

I don't! that's like hard for me to understand. I get that ppl do it but it is really confusing & weird to me

but anyway I have zero doubt in my mind that MJ was a child molester & think that people who wanna do all kinds of grotesque "but consider this about his accuser!!!"/"framed!!" bullshit are just fooling themselves/conspiracy theory addicts/etc

"I also do regret my comments on the Anal Cunt thread about Seth, as looking back they were poor taste."

let's not underrate this sentence.

Matt Armstong otm, that's a new board description candidate if ever there was one

that was bad enough; i was more referring to what you were saying about addiction and money

xp

Seriously, fuck the internet and fuck the people of this world, this is horrible news and so heartbreaking to think of so much squandered potential and talent. Thoughts and sympathies to her families and friends, I hope that this makes some people think long and hard about themselves and the people they are, and how we deal with substance abuse and addiction so it wasn't all in vain.

there's no way of responding to this without being 'that guy', but at least the internet zingers are honest with themselves. 'some people' are not going to think long and hard about substance abuse because amy winehouse died, don't be silly. they evidently didn't think too much about it when she was busy squandering her talent over the last few years. if her friends and family thought about it, nothing was achieved by doing so; and im guessing that not all her friends had her best interests at heart. it's hard to be heartbroken over something inevitable, though i guess bursting out laughing (my reaction) was unchill.

maybe bill mcgill would be happier if he didn't post on the michael jackson threads

Her whole public image was a self-aware drug addict. It was pushed so hard that it seemed kinda fake. So it's like "it worked, u have money, now clean up"

(Re: aerosmith's point)

k3v tell me about your experiences in the field of health care, plz, I'm sure this will be illuminating

idk J0rdan. I mean...Winehouse is like Pete Doherty: every time you see a news item on her, you expect it to be "Winehouse is dead." She's the punk icon at the celebrity level, which is its own trope. I think the shock here is a sort of weird class-relations thing: if I had the kind of money/power (not political power, but wealth is power) that she had, you can bet your ass that I'd take care of myself. It's incomprehensible to me that somebody who gets to that level doesn't say, fuck it, I'll drop 100k on getting myself clean. What junkie actually loves his junkiedom? not many in my experience; most of them always talk about getting clean, but the prospect of being clean & poor vs. high & poor is too unattractive to pursue. So it's kind of - bizarre, hard to understand - that she died in her illness.

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 23 July 2011 23:56 (Yesterday) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc

RIP

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:42 PM (3 years ago)

ichlugebullets Dom
Come on guys, a rich white person has died, show some respect.
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So, when's the third album due then? It was supposedly ready last year, iirc?

i'm so glad the thread has reached the "pointless bickering about michael jackson" and the "c/ping dom passantino" stage

but yeah cut both of those out

k3v tell me about your experiences in the field of health care, plz, I'm sure this will be illuminating

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:30 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cmon dude you know better than going down this appeal to authority route

she's is not the first rich person to die of an overdose - maybe it's less frequent, but it's far from without precedent

moins 'is'

k3v tell me about your experiences in the field of health care, plz, I'm sure this will be illuminating

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:30 PM (7 minutes ago)

i'll be a hospital pharmacist in less than two years. i have less experience than you do, and knowing your background in health care i was suprised by what you said. we can let it lie if you'd like

this lol was at the dom c/p but has been reassigned to the lex post

iatee you're right & so's k3v I got my own ex-junkie issues here, it is mystifying to me that ppl w/resources don't get their priorities straight - I did, after several years of hard-stuff addiction, and I didn't really even have any compelling reason to get my shit together

but yeah it's my junkie self that says "what the fuck you dumb shit" to dead junkies, not my nurse self. I never knew a junkie to die without his best friends saying "wow, what an asshole" the minute they heard

this lol was at the dom c/p but has been reassigned to the lex post

what was funny about the dom post? why the fuck do we care what he has to say on this? (or on anything.)

it is mystifying to me that ppl w/resources don't get their priorities straight - I did, after several years of hard-stuff addiction

i guess amy was still in the "several years" stage even though everyone was hoping she'd move on to the "get her priorities straight" stage.

why the fuck do we care what he has to say on this? (or on anything.

because he was like the undisputed best poster ILX ever had, for starters

o_0

we're cool aero

I find "RIP" for people who aren't dead amusing, period

I do not concur w/Whiney's assessment of Dom as a poster tho

k3v just ftr we can beef any time & I'll always consider u a bro so don't abstain from going off on me when you think I'm full of shit!! I'm punk & believe that getting called out is healthy

I find "RIP" for people who aren't dead amusing, period

idgi

dom was a tedious little boy and ilx improved immeasurably once he was finally kicked off

look dude I actually agree w/you on that point I am not in the free dom clique but he brought some lols from time to time

describing anyone with "he brought the lols" = warning sign, it makes me think of like 4chan (also a guarantee that they were never ever funny)

idi amin brought lolz from time to time too, but that's not what he's best remembered for.

well maybe he is at this point.

not the lols, some lols. he was also a dick who sent hateful trash to some of my favorite ppl here. even I (kind of notoriously the most orthodox-thinking dude around here! iirc) won't go "you're a dick so no lol/otm for you"

Something weird abt this whole conversation to me. "its ok not to be reverant about mj cuz he fucked kids" ... Like what? I brought up mj bcuz I thought the tone of the board had shifted not because it makes sense to be more irreverant abt mj (highly arguable imo but also a weird gross thing to bother arguing abt)