Killing Joke -vs- Steely Dan

after that, zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Though, come to think of it, SD have been equally zzzzzz since Gaucho (and probably including most of Gaucho) at least. Which means they've been boring even longer than Killing Joke have! (Last SD album I care about: 1977. Last KJ album I care about: 1982) So maybe I should have taken that into consideration. (Oh wait, I kind of like The Nightfly -- that's 1982 too, right? But I don't think that counts any more than October File does.)

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Going off of the two Steely Dan records I have (Aja and Gaucho) and the two Killing Joke records I have (S/T and What's THIS For...!), Killing Joke easily gets the vote for me.

OMG Killing Joke vs. Steely Dan LOLZ wow I mean that's a REAL tough decision there. Anyone with half a brain would go with KJ, I am SORRY.

and those with a full brain?

Full-brained folks tend not to waste their time here on ILM.

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pwnt

Steely Dan voters apparently scared to post here though

killing joke fans so angry and scary

Those aware of the world around them SHOULD be angry and scared.

That could quite possibly be the most pretentious retort I've ever posted. Time to open a beer, then!

PS: Steely Dan is boring.

just listened to killing joke for the first time - i didnt realize it was a goth thing

It's not.

http://www.lifeishell.de/oldcontent/goths2.jpg

Yes, those are goths. Lollipops for you, then.

that is a photo of killing joke

No, it's a family of your family Thanksgiving party, cocksmoker.

photo. argh. Go die.

lol

jhøshea ur family seems great!!!

yah tooo much drama tho

The "silent majority" at work, eh.

I voted for Killing Joke.

u r a goths?

This could quite possibly be the best two posts to follow each other ever on ILM:

Those aware of the world around them SHOULD be angry and scared.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:20 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

That could quite possibly be the most pretentious retort I've ever posted. Time to open a beer, then!

PS: Steely Dan is boring.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:35 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I am laughing uncontrollably at the Alex/jhøshea, goth/family exchange. I think I'm projecting myself into an alternate universe where that actually IS a photo of Killing Joke and LAUGHING! And then Alex getting all flustered at his "family of your family" comment. And then the idea that that actually IS a photo of jhøshea's family, drama-laden, of course. Humor!

I am not tired or drunk.

P.S. Steely Dan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke although "Change" is a masterpiece and I really really liked Pandemonium although I think I wound up getting rid of it.

hal blaine vs dave grohl

Killing Joke are good music and that's not a "goth thing."

I wish the goths at my high school had looked like that.

Oh I missed this one. Steely Dan would have gotten yet one more vote.

You don't say.

I only own two KJ albums but I'll take them over Steely Dan anyway. I'm sad SD won.

Obviously I voted for Steely Dan - and I love Killing Joke, at least the first two records & spots here and there. (Frankly I think the fire which they honored never really burned as bright again, though I got kicked in the teeth by that album that Grohl played on a couple years back) In re: the goth business though, I've said this before - they're not the sort of lamers who'd self-identify as goth, because they're not lamers. But Christian Death didn't ID as goth, either. Any band that'd describe themselves as "a goth band" is gonna suck balls. But in L.A. at least Killing Joke always occupied a sort of middle ground - punks liked them, so did the death rock kids who went nuts for TSOL's "Dance With Me." Their flickr portrait should rightly have a small-font "goth" tag on it.

But "are they goth or not goth?" is a stupid question. They're about as goth as the Birthday Party, which is to say, anybody who says there's no connection is lying or stupid, but anybody who thinks the tag is a sufficient descriptor is silly.

Steely Dan are goths.

^k.j. dickrider

Classy!

Steve Gadd vs Dave Grohl. hmm though one.

hmmm tough one.

is tallgoth redbraids into some burmese neck elongations trip?

am0n once again demonstrates why the ^ keystroke, along with the word "ban," should be banned

Steely Dan has way more good records. But aside from The Royal Scam, I never listen to the Dan on purpose. Whereas I still play the first and third Killing Joke records with some frequency.

Killing Joke are totally goth in the broad sense. That's part of what's good about them.

They're not fucking Goths and never were, for cryin' out loud. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, PEOPLE!

In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes.

All I know is that, the first time I ever heard Sisters of Mercy, I thought "they sort of sound like Killing Joke, but not as good."

Again, I think this begs a greater discussion as to what constitutes a Goth band. Don't think this is the thread for that.

"In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes."

...sarcastic rice cakes with unlimited funding and the best session players that money can buy.

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Listen to "Complications" off the s/t Killing Joke record while staring at the cover of Fire Dances. Then get back to me on who's goth.

Eat a big bag of your own filth, throw it up and rub it all over yourself, and then get back to me, Nate.

Killing Joke are only "goth" in the same way that Siouxsie and the Banshees are "goth" or for that matter Dead Can Dance are "goth" IE a bunch of goth bands ripped them off something rotten. There's a world of difference between KJ and, say the mission or sisters of mercy, not least KJ are GREAT and do not SUCK.

Haha! I'm going to have good dreams now. Thank you Alex. :)

Alex rules when he's all bent out of shape.

I dunno, I have my doubts about the Alex in NYC reunion tour.

..and nor should anyone.

See, that last post is where I just start laughing at you.

joy division are the precursors to minimal house, everyone knows that

i bet steely dan has the highest percentage of fans who used to loath them of any band.

How long will the new Alex'n'Nate comedy team last?

Never loathed them, just considered them a guilty pleasure. Have since dropped the guilty part.

See, that last post is where I just start laughing at you.

Funnily enough, I've been laughing at you since before I can remember.

Joy Division aren't goths. Inspiration to the Goths? Sure. But to call Joy Division goths does them a profound disservice.

Alex has forgotten all of us, Rock Hardy. Maybe he should have revived the Alzheimer's thread last week.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/crumblaughing.jpg

http://walkerart.org/archive/D/AB737183A1BE364D6168.jpg

Killing Joke hardly needs my defending in this case. Yes, Jaz looks like shit these days (tho' so does Scott Seward, I'd wager), but their music takes a planet-engulfing dump on Steely Dan's weedy, jazzbo piffle every day of the apocalypse.

― Alex in NYC, Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:33 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark

LOL

i like killing joke tbh (i bought their first record at a store a few years ago and the guy loled and said, "i've been waiting for that one to move every since i opened the store...four years ago") but i think the comparison between their impish goth new wave punk thing and steely dan's carefully constructed, literate hard rock is a little weird?

planet-engulfing dump

Said it once & I'll assuredly say it again: FUCK Steely Dan.

Steely Dan is almost perfect but that is for another thread.

went into this thread wishing i'd been around to vote for killing joke...

jazz-rock beats goth every time.

not every time.

there are absolutely no circumstances in which steely dan are preferable to killing joke.

i can totally understand this POV if you're into goth

I'm into goth and the answer to this is still Steely Dan

i think "the royal scam" is the most goth steely dan album

Very classy homophobia upthread, et al.