Taking Dark Sides: Peter Murphy Vs. Daniel Ash

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Do you have any idea how hard it is to google for photos of David J:

http://www.capricious.org/albums/DavidJ/david_j_at_the_middle_east_march_31_2002b.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/on/darknymph/images/j3.gif

errrrrrrrr..

http://www.werenotafraid.com/images/226/David_J.jpg

― We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I am going to JW this thread until you all admit that David J is the coolest.

http://www.photographersdirect.com/news/200411images/David.jpg

http://www.pauseandplay.com/davidj.gif

― We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Is that Elton John?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

hahahah.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

if we're really talking solo work, I think love and rockets have the edge but only slightly. mind I didn't listen to anything past the self titled record. so it probably evens out since murphy's put out a ton of junk since holy smoke (possibly including holy smoke)

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

but I guess the best rockets and tones songs beat the best murphy songs so ash wins

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Fuck "Slender Fungus" for ruining what is essentially otherwise a 100% strike-rate output for ToT.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

What the hell is wrong with you? "Slender Fungus" is completely goddamn brilliant! I will never understand the hate for a song with one of the weirdest percussion tracks ever set against soothing chants.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

"Slender Fungus" is how I'd describe a lot of Tom Petty.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Slender Fungus is how I'd describe Paris Hilton

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

You'd describe Tom Petty as a shining ball of meat?

xpost...well, that too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

"So Alive" is as bad as "Motorcyle" is great....which is fucking considerable.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

so alive has the worst opening lyrics of any song ever

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I'll always have fond memories of "So Alive" because it and "Love Song," both chasing each other up the pop charts, were placed ad infinitum by my local Top 40 station around Bobby Brown and Roxette.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

It sounds like an approrpriate song for such a title, which really can't be a good thing.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

I must tap you gently on the head with a brickbat.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

We don't mention So Alive. I mean... THAT video. Those LEGS. We were secretly convinced that they were not GURLS legs at all, but really Los Bros Haskins in tights.

― We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

"So Alive" is as bad as "Motorcyle" is great....which is fucking considerable.
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), November 3rd, 2005.
so alive has the worst opening lyrics of any song ever

-- kyle (akmonda...), November 3rd, 2005.

damn, am I glad to be on my side of the generation gap about this one.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know you and Alex were the same age.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

...

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Man, I miss my Tones on Tail records. I haven't heard them on years, but they were on the YUMMIEST looking coloured vinyl.

― We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Picking "Motorcycle" over "So Alive" is evidence of senility and/or encroaching deafness. "Motorcycle" is a painfully stupid, embarrassing train wreck of nonsense that is about on par with the worst of Justin Timberlake in terms of "rank pile of shit"-ness.

Anyone with sense is going to pick "????" off that album.

Daniel Ash in a heartbeat. Peter Murphy has never really interested me away from Bauhaus.

― Dan (Motorcycle: The Worst L&R Song Ever Recorded) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

I dare say that "Cry Me A River" by same is also a quadrillion times better than "So Alive".

It's not that the lyrics of "Motorcyle" are anything great -- it's simply THAT huge fucking guitar sound. So unweildy and massive and great -- that you can't appreciate it only underscores your (typical) failure to understand that which rocks.

Anyone with sense is going to pick "????" off that album.

Do you mean "Jungle Law"? It's fucking brilliant.

Daniel Ash in a heartbeat. Peter Murphy has never really interested me away from Bauhaus.

I like quite a bit of Murphy's solo stuff, but sort've lost interest circa Holy Smoke.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

that you can't appreciate it only underscores your (typical) failure to understand that which rocks.

That which rocks is usually synonymous with that which sucks.

― Dan (For Reals) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Do you suck rock?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I am not a crackhead, no.

― Dan (Just Say No) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

YUMMY SUGAR FROSTED CRACK.

I disagree with Dan on the worth of "Motorcycle" but I like me the big riffs, as Alex notes. But I do highly agree with Dan on the worth of "So Alive."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Ehh...I guess. I just had a hard time believing that the same cats who recorded "So Alive" also birthed brilliant stuff like "Stigmata Martyr" and "Swing the Heartache," etc.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

So what's wrong with variety? Besides, the whole point of Bauhaus WAS variety. "Mask" the song would have been nowhere near as good if that shockingly beautiful acoustic guitar line hadn't appeared out of nowhere towards the end.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I'll tell you what's great: "No Big Deal."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Hehehe. Yes. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

"No Big Deal" is extremely overrated even if it is catchy as hell.

― Dan (Truth In Advertising) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I've heard the song in 15 years.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

"No Big Deal" is extremely overrated

Not NEARLY as overrated as "So Alive".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

I think the important thing to recognise here is not whether or Pete Murphy is fractionally > Daniel Ash in any particular respect; or indeed whether David J's haircut is significantly > Kevin Haskins' trousers; but the fact that Bauhaus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely anything that any of it's individual members have ever been involved with either individually, with other people, or in any combination other than Bauhaus, ever.

""Slender Fungus" is completely goddamn brilliant!"

Heed Ned well - for he speaks with great wisdom and perceptiveness.

"You'd describe Tom Petty as a shining ball of meat?"

Well, maybe not: but I've long had my suspicions that he sucks the toes that linger round your feet - and indeed, I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that has kissed a fish inside a stolen jeep on at least one occasion. Possibly even more often than that.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

Heed Ned well - for he speaks with great wisdom and perceptiveness.

Thank you, blessed acolyte.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

[bows respectfully]

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Now having established peace, let us now demonstrate that Bauhaus is superior to Killing Joke.

*notes explosion in NYC area*

Huh, odd. Anyway.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

I was hoping I wouldn't have to be the only one backing Ned up on his opinion of "Slender Fungus."

― martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Now I'm tempted to use my one allowed cover song for NaSoAlMo....

― martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

"Now having established peace, let us now demonstrate that Bauhaus is superior to Killing Joke."

Sounds like a cue for a new thread....

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

Martin, if you do a cover of "Slender Fungus," glory shall be yours forever.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Light blue touch paper....

TS: Bauhaus vs. Killing Joke

.... and retire immediately

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

Ash could have been replaced to little fanfare

Owen, you must stop taking these drugs.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

My vote goes to Ash for his work with the Jazz Butcher in particular and post-Bauhaus activity in general.

― sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Uh, you mean David J and his work with the Jazz Butcher, yes?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

i'll take No New Tale To Tell over pretty much any bauhaus song

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

i'll take No New Tale To Tell over pretty much any bauhaus song

http://www.knifton.com/images/yoda/yoda.h1.jpg
"That is why you fail!"

― Yoda in Dagobah (vassifer), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Ash could have been replaced to little fanfare

Funnily enough, this very statement came up when I did a Google search with the following words: "stack", "crap", "stack of crap".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

"Uh, you mean David J and his work with the Jazz Butcher, yes?"

AFAIK all of Love And Rockets backed Mr Fish up on numerous tracks.

― sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 14 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

(Why do I *know* these things? OK, sayeth the girl who once wrote an illustrated novel called "301 Reasons Why I Like David J")

― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Friday, 4 November 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

More talk about the stupendously fantastic Max Eider, who shits all over everyone mentioned so far.

― when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 4 November 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't go THAT far.

However, Max Eider does rule, and "Drink" is the best song ever about the joys of sweet alcohol.

"Falling apart in bars
I like to suffer for my art
Just one more before we part..."

(For the uninitiated, imagine this being delivered and sung in the kind of light-hearted, breezy 30s jazz that Eric Idle specializes in for his Monty Python songs.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 November 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

Soul Happy Hour is the best song ever about drink.

― when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 4 November 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Clearly the only way to settle this is to have a FAP where we play nothing but drinking songs and then proceed to get drunk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 November 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

As long as it isn't at your house in Boston! (see ILX dreams)

― when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 4 November 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Any deeper thoughts on the Daniel Ash solo discography? I mean, Coming Down sounds alright enough (if not a patch on anything Love and Rockets released before their last couple), but I can't find much use for Ash's next two solo albums. And it's not for lack of trying, either -- I'm a pretty big fan of Bauhaus (obv.), L&R, Tones on Tail, Dali's Car, Peter solo... just can't get into the Ash solo stuff very much.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 25 February 2010 19:00 (sixteen years ago)

peter solo = give me Love Hysteria and Deep and that's all I'll ever really need

Tones on Tail > Bauhaus and I think I appreciate daniel ash's role in bauhaus more than peter murphy's so I have to go with daniel ash here.

― MY RUSTIC CHURCHWARDEN PIPE TOBACCOS; WITH RED T-SHIRT OF SURF (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 25 February 2010 19:14 (sixteen years ago)

i kinda couldn't take any of ash's solo stuff. so much of it was sooooo lazy in that bad later L&R way. lazy rhymes, lazy guitar playing. nothing songs.

i never posted on this thread? then ASH for me! cuz he was in three bands that i love and murphy only in one.

― scott seward, Thursday, 25 February 2010 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

plus, he's one of my fave guitarists. and i dig him as a vocalist way more than murphy too.

― scott seward, Thursday, 25 February 2010 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

ten months pass...

I got my public radio member card the other day and the name of the enrollment management guy in charge of writing thank you letters was named Daniel Ash. I thought of this DA and loled to myself thinking of him having a day job like that.

"We really appreciate everything you do for public radio!"
http://chicagoist.com/attachments/chicagoist_tankboy/2007_09_daniel_ash.gif

― ergonomically chromium plated fish slice (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:53 (fifteen years ago)

My favorite Ash moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jP5S4l1zEc

― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:11 (fifteen years ago)

At least Daniel Ash was not in a Twilight movie.

― not the sort of person who would wind up in a landfill (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

like he'd say no

― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:53 (fifteen years ago)

Depends on whether or not they'd let him wear leather onscreen.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:55 (fifteen years ago)

Depends on whether he proves a nefarious sartorial influence on young Pattinson.

― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:59 (fifteen years ago)

Imagining him with Ash's pineapple hair and seizing up.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:01 (fifteen years ago)

Dust and Hot Trip to Heaven are both completely underrated.

― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:06 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

Daniel is 55 today.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 14:16 (thirteen years ago)

That...is strange to hear.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 22:36 (thirteen years ago)

Tones on Tail FTW.

― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUbXATC70w

it is very good advice to believe only what an artist does

― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:58 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

lol https://soundcloud.com/daniel-ash-383422151

― bern b bag (crüt), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 13:02 (ten years ago)

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