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Ned Raggett is Buffalo Bill:
"It puts the Chameleons CD in the shopping cart. IT PUTS THE CHAMELEONS CD IN THE SHOPPING CART!"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Good, good. Now tell me I'm pretty.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

can i just say what my favorite thing is that jack rabid does: when he's interviewing one of his heroes and he says something like:"I don't expect you to remember this but when you played the Mudd Club in 1982 i was in the bathroom and you came in and you bumped me and then you said sorry and i said no problem and then you left. i mean it was a long time ago so...." cue embarassing silence from whoever he is interviewing. but it's cute the way he does it.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I like when he asks them if they agree with him that things were better in the old days.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"didn't bands our age after work harder than the damn weiner kids?"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"didn't bands our age have to work harder than the damn weiner kids?"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

plus I cry tears of joy when I see a Wipers review NOT written by him.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Try knocking his 1500-word reviews of German two-part Bad Religion singles down to 300!

Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think i've ever heard Down By Law or Leatherface, two bands that jack has written at least 50,000 words on.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

argh! jim dissed Hugh Jones' production
Hugh Jones rules!

"Contact The Fact" ROXOR!

(help I've turned into Geeta) ! ! ! !

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 28 February 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

So .. who else is excited about this? - http://www.renascent.co.uk/pagessound/bbc.html

(Ordered mine a while ago, but it hasn't shown up yet.. waaah, I want it now!)

Muppet Boy, Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I have Shock of Daylight, it's good.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

A BBC double CD? Holy shit!

jazz odysseus, Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

argh! jim dissed Hugh Jones' production
Hugh Jones rules!

haha i've come to like the production. there's much to like about Hugh Jones' work, definitely.

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 28 February 2004 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! A good band. My friend N picked up a copy of Jeopardy for a quid in a 2nd hand shop in 1981 and several of us instantly switched onto them. We started going to see them - they were v.good live - I must have seen them 10 times or so, including Stafford Futurama (with Bow Wow Wow, Killing Joke, UK Decay, Simple Minds, Ludus, Jah Wobble, Felt, Cabaret Voltaire, Bauhaus, Gang of Four, Virgin Prunes, Sisters Of Mercy, Section 25, Comsats....etc!!), The Marquee gigs which were released as 'In The Hothouse' and a great gig at The Lyceum with The Blue Orchids and The Comsat Angels. Borland was a frightening live performer and a grebt guitar player. I'm not sure that it always came across on recd they way they wanted it to, especially the dull later albums from 'Shock of Daylight' onwards, but for me the first 3 are essential. I think the debut has the best songs, FTLM is the most coherent insight into their world and All Fall Down is simply genius -it's my favourite because they took a risk and changed their sound exactly at the point where everyone expected a transformation into U2/EATB style 'epic-ness'. A work of real bravery and emotion with one of THE greatest songs ever written in 'Monument'.I got to know Adrian a little bit about 10 years ago - just by chance his solo band were rehearsing at the same place that a band I was in was using - and he was a really nice bloke - happy to talk about the Sound and really positive for the future. He told me that his favourite work that they did was FTLM - he really wanted to see it come out on CD. Sadly he never did. He told me that Max Mayers had died in the late 1980's after moving to the USA, he'd lost touch with Graham and Mike Dudley had become a computer programmer.
I really should get Propaganda and this new BBC thing looks really good - especially the first session with the wonderful Bi Marshall. I still have my original vinyl copies of the first 3 recds - I'm going to crank up Jeopardy now - 'Heartland', now there's a song! Thing is though, Adrian said it all on the first song on the first album - 'I Can't Escape Myself'. Brutal, too brutal.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 28 February 2004 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Leatherface is pretty decent, Scott!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Dr. C: Once my Memory Theft 3000 device becomes fully operational, you will be third or fourth on my hitlist. Just thought I'd let you know that.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 29 February 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Andy, will the MT3000 be available for retail purchase or rental?

Clarke B., Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
Revive!

I got the dual disc BBC Recordingsdisc and, well, holy fucking shit. Multiply all previous "they shoulda been huge" comments by a factor of 100.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Additionally, I'm totally enthralled by the three Honolulu Mountain Daffodils albums that Borland was part of in the late 80s. Anyone know what the deal was with them?

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I really really must get that BBC collection. Now if only the Comsats one was back in print (but thank goodness for mp3s).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
I've gradually come to really, really like From The Lion's Mouth, I wish I hadn't been so stingy in praising them above. I'm gonna have to check this BBC thing out too.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like "Coldbeat".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally got the BBC collection. Great stuff indeed.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
Finally scored From the Lion's Mouth (damn their albums are difficult to obtain without being able to convert currencies of use PayPal -- I had previously ordered All Fall Down from Vinyl Fever here and it took three months to arrive). It's cohesively great. I'm not sure whether I like it more than All Fall Down or not but time will tell. "Sense of Purpose" kills. I direly want the BBC Recordings, Jeopardy, and In the Hothouse.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 April 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Live version of 'Sense of Purpose' on Hothouse is one of the high points there, what it lacks in poise it makes up for in sheer urge to splurge.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 11 April 2005 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
...

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

now i'm winning

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

if we don't act now

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
"Who the hell makes those...MISSILES?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Ned - heard The Outsiders? I think it is all of our duties to bombard Renascent with requests for a 2CD retrospective of both their albums and the singles/EPs. AND the Kevin Hewick/Sound EP.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 February 2006 08:16 (twenty years ago)

Bands that maybe could have become the next U2 but thankfully didn't:

The Sound
House of Love
Chameleons
Echo and the Bunnymen

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:28 (twenty years ago)

uh, comsats?

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

what are the members of Easterhouse up to these days? i admired the commie bombast of their first album. i don't know if they wanted to be U2 or not though. Not like the Alarm wanted to be U2 anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Ned - heard The Outsiders? I think it is all of our duties to bombard Renascent with requests for a 2CD retrospective of both their albums and the singles/EPs. AND the Kevin Hewick/Sound EP

Sounds like a plan to me!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Ha! I finally bought Propaganda yesterday. Haven't played it yet, but I had a look inside the packaging and was kind of unprepared to see Adrian's sleeve notes. I had forgotten that he died just after the first few of these reissues hit the shops. Still very, very sad.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Obv I hadn't forgotten that he'd died, just what the chronology was wrt these reissues.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 08:25 (twenty years ago)

All Fall Down is simply genius -it's my favourite because they took a risk and changed their sound exactly at the point where everyone expected a transformation into U2/EATB style 'epic-ness'. A work of real bravery and emotion with one of THE greatest songs ever written in 'Monument'.

Am listening to All Fall Down this very second and "Monument" just finished. Dr. C said it a couple of years ago so I don't have to.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

I listened to Propaganda this morning - how can something this great have been buried for 20+ yrs? Physical World in particular deserves to be blasted out of radios across the globe.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Ned, did you ever hear our awful cover of "Total Recall"?

San Carlos, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Apparently not, ergo you must post or share.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Um, please.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Sorry for the delay. Last one listed.

http://www.myspace.com/magicbullets

San Carlos, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Now listening to In the Hothouse and all the relistening over the past few days leads me to address a point way upthread:

I suspect I'd probably think Winning was a lot nicer if the 'I'm gonna make it after all!' sentiment wasn't offet by the 'Hang on a minute, this guy jumped in front of a train three years ago!' realisation

In my case, I now realize that I have the exact opposite feeling about the Sound and Adrian B. -- when it comes to figures like, say, Jim Morrison or Ian Curtis, their sound and the post-death cults (for lack of a better word) combine to create a resultant expectation that is often hard to properly escape, especially if like me you encounter them well after the fact.

Admittedly I did the same with the Sound as well, hearing them first well after their breakup but before Adrian died, but like, say, Billy Mackenzie and the Associates, when I hear the Sound I hear life, I hear exultance for lack of a better word. For all the most intense moments that Adrian can create with his words and singing, there is a grace and soaring resonance that causes me to rise, not sink. The comparisons with U2 and Bono don't work for me because there is something here that is strong but not overbearing, a true warmth -- and the more I think about so many of the band's contemporaries, the more that seems to be near unique, that the lighter singing voice (if only by degrees in some cases) compared to others is what gives the Sound its unique feel still for me.

I hear the Sound and I hear an embrace, not hectoring or rabble-rousing. That to me is a true gift.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

when I hear the Sound I hear life, I hear exultance for lack of a better word. For all the most intense moments that Adrian can create with his words and singing, there is a grace and soaring resonance that causes me to rise, not sink.

That for me is spot on, and nicely put to boot.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Raggett OTM, I have long since recanted my Sound ambivalence, at least as far as the two albums I'm most familiar with. That one line in "Winning" that says "something won't let you stop" always kind of sticks out even despite the bleak tone.

Also, that sort of warmth you talk about is really evident on "Fatal Flaw" - that sort of falling-into-place moment when it reaches the motif that repeats to the end is one of my favourite drawn-out repetitive outros of ooh, ever.

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Aaaalso great: the BBC session of "Hothouse", where the original chorus is replaced with sulky instrumental noodling, only to have the original passage redeployed as this massive ecstatic release at the end of the song.

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the revive - that 5CD set is so great.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 10 June 2018 00:06 (eight years ago)

one month passes...

Finally getting around to the Outsiders with Cherry Red's predictably excellent CD reissue of Calling On Youth.

First impression, for one of the supposedly "important early independent punk" albums, it's not actually very punk, is it? I mean, the guitar playing is way too good to actually be punk, and side two of the album is just kind of slow and quiet for the most part. Adrian's obviously really young and overly ambitious here, but he's obviously pretty charismatic, even at this very early point. Overall though, pleasantly surprised.

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:06 (seven years ago)

Taking in Close Up this evening and, I have to say, it's pretty much an all around improvement over Calling On Youth. Production, songs, technicality. . . just better on all fronts. Definitely segues nicely into the Propaganda era (which subsequently segues perfectly into Jeopardy).

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 03:57 (seven years ago)

four months pass...

https://austintayeshus.blogspot.com/2018/12/what-are-spectral-projections.html

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)

three years pass...

https://www.discogs.com/master/2523988-The-Sound-Will-And-Testament-Starlight

Uhm?

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 24 April 2022 21:17 (four years ago)

oh wow! a live album of their later material i guess

look like it's all up on yt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mbq2cGjX8M

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 24 April 2022 21:32 (four years ago)

Yep, on Spotify too.

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 24 April 2022 22:53 (four years ago)

eight months pass...

this incoming second layer comp popped up on bandcamp today:

https://daily.bandcamp.com/album-of-the-day/second-layer-courts-or-wars-review

hadn't actually heard 'courts of wars' before... fuuck, amazing song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_01T9uFgew

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 19 January 2023 18:22 (three years ago)

'or' not 'of' obv

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 19 January 2023 18:22 (three years ago)

yeah I first heard second layer through that song on a Messthetics comp. So cool!!

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:40 (three years ago)

“that song” - courts or wars

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:41 (three years ago)

(wide eyes emoji)

i'll be back in later with thoughts.

kiss me while the world decays (Austin), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:47 (three years ago)

Second Layer is arguably more Joy Division THAN Joy Division. Fantastic, singular work - wonderfully dark and deep.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 19 January 2023 22:03 (three years ago)

one year passes...

Hey Austin, in case didn't hear about this book:

Destiny Stopped Screaming: The Life and Times of Adrian Borland https://www.amazon.com/dp/9090379355/

I am a notoriously slow reader and likely won't get to this for yonks.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 20:43 (one year ago)

ahhh thanks for thinking of me ― definitely of interest! reviews look pretty positive. in my wishlist.

unrelated but the trash theory youtube channel recently did 7 Influential Post-Punk Bands You Should've Heard and the feature on the sound begins around 41mins. it's a good overview and i was thrilled to see them featured.

MUFFY TEPPERMAN WAS THE OG KAREN (Austin), Wednesday, 15 January 2025 23:54 (one year ago)

Yeah, I saw that. Adrian's gone 25 years and I'm always chuffed to see he's not forgotten.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 16 January 2025 03:06 (one year ago)

I only discovered this band recently with From the Lion's Mouth, which is great! I think I'd heard about them numerous times here and other places over the years but maybe their generic name had me confusing them with other bands. Anyway, that's remedied now, look forward to listening to the rest!

Vinnie, Thursday, 16 January 2025 16:59 (one year ago)

I just realised I only know this band because of Jeopardy, which is obviously fucking great, and their first single, and I don't actually know any of their other stuff. I had no idea they had so many albums

I have the reissues of both Outsiders albums and love both of those, love Second Layer and the Witch Trials, funny/sad I know so little of Borland's music after that

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 18 January 2025 02:02 (one year ago)

First I heard of them was seeing a clip on one of those Whistle Test compilation shows that used to be on BBC Four, well over 20 years ago now. It was them playing “Sense of Purpose” and I was mesmerised; Borland was like a British Bob Mould to me! I got the Revenant CD of From the Lions Mouth soon after and I’ve loved it ever since (just got the vinyl reissue too).

It was only later, after learning more of their back story, that my realised late uncle might have known them; he toured with Echo and the Bunnymen back in the day doing their lights.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 18 January 2025 13:27 (one year ago)

*realised my

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 18 January 2025 13:27 (one year ago)

it's officially unavailable digitally, but it needs to be heard: the band's john peel session from november 81. setlist is: fatal flaw, hothouse, new dark age, skeletons. the 'hothouse' they play here is the definitive: one round of the chorus will suffice, otherwise enjoy the tension.

MUFFY TEPPERMAN WAS THE OG KAREN (Austin), Saturday, 18 January 2025 13:34 (one year ago)

Yeah the way that version of Hothouse transforms the song is incredible, that Peel session always worth a listen

I listened to a live version of Sense of Purpose on Spotify after that and that thumping final stretch gets me hyped every time, would love to have seen them do that live

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 19 January 2025 16:00 (one year ago)

Borland was like a British Bob Mould to me!

hadn't ever occurred to me before, but yeah i totally get that - that raw urgency to communicate truths that feel like they're burning a hole right through them, that other place they both seem to go to when they're channeling that through a guitar. lots of my own teenage angst bound up in both back catalogues, both sometimes kind of painful for me to listen to now for that reason tbh

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Sunday, 19 January 2025 16:33 (one year ago)


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