Please talk about: "Buffalo Stance" by Neneh Cherry

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The best part of B Stance is the sample of Miami's Chicken Yellow, I thinks.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The $200 video is a total, total classic.

Thanks for posting the lyrics, I never could make out that "no style rookie" line.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to talk about "Man Child" instead. One of the most beautiful songs ever to contain rapping...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

this song is pretty good, but I don't get the classic rep.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

AND YOU TOO WILL LEARN TO LIVE THE LIE

N_RQ, Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I played this when I DJed at the last Poptimism and out of all the songs I played, people's reaction to this put the biggest smile on my face. I love everything aout it.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 May 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I hereby declare everybody in this thread to be insane. Or British.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

raw like sushi is great, but the single version of 'heart' is much better than the album version (or do i have that the wrong way round?)

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

this song and its video are of course fantastic

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"Buffallo" was a london based photgraphy and fashion collective that specialised in tuff/pretty looking models. if u saw The Face at any time in the early 80's then you know their work. They did most of the fashion covers (Nick Kamen was their most famous). the collective was formed by Ray Petri, Jamie Morgan and Cameron McVey (who Neneh later married).

http://img.textbookx.com/images/large/1X/157687091X.jpg

http://www.showstudio.com/projects/mgn/mgn_movies.html

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

she only married one of them, not all three.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i think 3D from Massive Attack was part of the scene too, hence "lookin good, hangin' with The Wild Bunch"

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved this song when it came out and was actually listening to the 45 when the '89 bay area earthquake hit. The record was skipping over and over again when the earthquake stopped and it always creeped me out after that.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

that is true

and the song is Classic, Klassic and any other way you wanna spell it, always makes me smile and ppl dance when I play it

and Alex in NYC is right in saying Neneh generally is brilliant

btw, has anyone actually come out hating the song yet?

H (Heruy), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

one of my favorites, ever. i finally found the 12" a couple of years ago, which was a sunny day indeed.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post:
half the song was originally on a Wild Bunch-produced Jamie J Morgan b-side a couple of years earlier

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link

how about we all celebrate by somebody YSIing it!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

For some reason, not necessarily musical, Buffalo Stance reminds of Oran Juice Jones - The Rain.

mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 20 May 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought the cassingle of this 'back in the day'. I don't have it with me anymore, but I recall the cardboard edges of that thing were really really worn.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 20 May 2005 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

N_RQ, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:20 (nineteen years ago) link

the first cd i ever owned (c1990).

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

Geoff Barrow (Portishead) did a couple of tracks on Homebrew too.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:48 (nineteen years ago) link

3D wrote 'Manchild' fyi

$V£N! (blueski), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

3D co-wrote it. Geoff Barrow did one track on "Homebrew" the sublime "Somedays".

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

And being Neneh has done stuff with The Slits, and Gangstarr was featured on Homebrew also, we really could do a six degrees of Neneh thing.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link


http://www.skysaw.org/onu/artists/personnel/nenehcherry.html


mark e (mark e), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

For some reason, not necessarily musical, Buffalo Stance reminds of Oran Juice Jones - The Rain.


This is sort of creepy, because I got both of these songs from the iTunes store at the same time a couple of months ago - I had both of them stuck in my head and hadn't head either in years.

joygoat (joygoat), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Buffalo Stance and The Rain are two of my all time favourite songs! How weird. Long after I stopped listening to the vast majority of my albums on tape, I still dug out Raw Like Sushi quite regularly. I only bought it on CD last year, thanks to Fopp's lovely fiver section.

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

(The Rain reminds me of my friends all sitting round the college canteen saying AND HIM in stupid voices and pissing ourselves laughing. We did similarly with 'My name is Prince and I am UGLY' whenever a BOY walked past.)

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I think of The Rain as being Drum Machine + synths in an R&B song; one that crossed over to the Hip-Hop market thanks to its attitude.

I think of Buffalo Stance as a urban hippie-esque dance song based mostly around samples that tried to cross over to the Hip-Hop crowd, but came off as a more black version of Groove is in the Heart.

I also differentiate greatly between mid 80's and late 80's urban music thanks to the invention of Emu's sp1200.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Granted, Groove is in the Heart came later I think...

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks to its attitude

Oran "Juice" Jones had the crazy gansterrific persona. I think my favorite part of The Rain might be ad libs at the end. "You're just a squirrel looking for nut!"

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"Cameron McVey (who Neneh later married)."

He produced (or co?) the first Sugababes record, no?

I was obsessed with Neneh during my teenage years. OBSESSED. I would gawk at the cd booklet for an hour while listening to the record...

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Miss Thang's "Thunder & Lightening" to thread.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i still play the album but i've never liked buffalo stance
i love "manchild" - it was my fave single for that year.
"heart" was great
"inner city mama" was good.

then "7 seconds " was brilliant.
wasn't "trout "with michael (REM) stipe ?

inner city papa, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

If I remember correctly it was originally a B-side for the group Morgan McVey. I'd love to hear that version. Anyone have it? Probably not...

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I do, but on vinyl, not any kind of easily-postable form

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Also, Arthur Baker and Kevin Saunderson remixes on the b-side of the 12"? Utter classic, especially the "1/2 Way 2 House Mix" which makes me nostalgic for an era I was scarcely alive for!

owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I need to hear this song again, seriously. I can't even remember how it goes at all, but I bought it at the time (on a 'cassingle' no less). I came across Raw Like Sushi in the Trouser Press Record Guide the other day and thought about how it really seemed like a lot of folks flipped over that record. It seemed like it was on everyone's fave albums of the year list, whatever year that was. I'm sure not everyone liked it of course, but this is how I remember it.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I always associate Buffalo Stance and Rain with Coldcut's Stop This Crazy thing, don't know why - they were probably all out at roughly the same time

m3ntal1st, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Probably one of the best synth hooks ever!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

With the new reissue of Red Hot + Blue, it's worth putting in a good word for her hip-hop version of "I've Got You Under My Skin".

It takes some courage to do a blank-verse rap like the "Smokin', no cokin'" section, then going all Tracy Ullman with the imitation cockney accents.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I hated this for a long time and then a couple years ago listened to it and was blown away. Now I have no idea how I feel about it. It's undeniable on some level but felt amazingly corny and dated at the time to me. (I was no futurist in 1989, either.) But it's also totally exuberant and ultimately I think that tips me back into the "like" category, at least a little.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm always awed by the reassuring simplicity of a couplet like "no money man can win my love / it's sweetness that I'm thinking of."

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember when it came out it seemed like one of those inpenetetrably British novelty hits, with the Bomb The Bass cameo and, again, the Cockney voices - I felt a little left out of what it meant or why it was good, except during all-ages nights at The Underground in the U District.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I once had a nightmare that my copy of this had split into several pieces inside the sleeve, it was horrible!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link

TOTAL.
FUCKING.
CLASSIC.

makes me yearn for a nostalgic look back into the early 90's.
cross colors.
fades.
an urban youth i didn't have.
and i STILL love this song...

eedd, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

too bad her dad's dead.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), May 19th, 2005 11:42 AM. (hstencil) (link)

Read: I am aware that her dad is a notable jazz musician and would like to show off this fact.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Raw Like Sushi was #5 in 1989's P&J poll.

In the summer of '89 this, "Me, Myself & I," and all those wonderful Fine Young Cannibals seemed to herald a real Daisy Age. I don't hear the song enough to get tired of it. The synth squiggle-hook is marvelous, and so is the bit about the gigolo, and almost everything about the chorus. So, ok, I'll say classic.

The followup, "Kisses On the Wind," is not as memorable but for some reason is a better song, if that makes sense.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

A few live tracks from her, at Le Guess Who festival in Holland:

- https://soundcloud.com/leguesswho/sets/neneh-cherry-live-at-le-guess-who-2018

sbahnhof, Sunday, 13 January 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link

nice, someone posted an aud recording of her in LA a couple months back to dime, i've had it in my "to listen" queue

Sigur Ros or Pomplamoose type shit (rushomancy), Sunday, 13 January 2019 02:57 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Hope they record together:

Energized by Neneh Cherry's great set -- with guests Denardo Coleman and @angeltheoracle -- at @BlankForms' benefit. We want more more more pic.twitter.com/CeFS4vxXcv

— David Grubbs (@blackfaurest) November 19, 2021

... (Eazy), Friday, 19 November 2021 05:04 (two years ago) link

I'm still trying to get my hands on the stems for this so I can do an hour long Prins Thomas-style extended remix of this song.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 19 November 2021 12:43 (two years ago) link

Just the outro looped for 15 minutes

ignore the blue line (or something), Friday, 19 November 2021 16:43 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

on first listen: completely superfluous but my goodwill toward robyn means it's at least not offensive? no idea why she thought slowing it down was a good idea. somehow this is the first time I realized the line was "no style rookie".

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:09 (two years ago) link

Slowing this down was a ruinous mistake.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:16 (two years ago) link

Very superfluous. Totally not smokin’.

celebrating ten years of constant posting (breastcrawl), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:17 (two years ago) link

The only way slowing it down makes sense would be if it was slowed waaaaaaaaay down, like 4 times as slow and turning it into a drone poem

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 3 March 2022 19:41 (two years ago) link

this would be a perfectly fine second b-side.

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 3 March 2022 20:20 (two years ago) link

it's ok but no thanks. i've been caning the original lately. that guitar figure in the coda is one of my favorite things about it.

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Thursday, 3 March 2022 21:13 (two years ago) link

oh man...

well, i'm listening to the original now. which probably wouldn't have happened today otherwise.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 5 March 2022 13:35 (two years ago) link

yeah i was excited about this until I heard it.

akm, Saturday, 5 March 2022 17:50 (two years ago) link

No slow version could be my lover.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 March 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link

the original is unimprovable but they could've at least tried

ignore the blue line (or something), Saturday, 5 March 2022 18:14 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLb3AbgBTbs

xzanfar, Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:45 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwbrJDGgu64

xzanfar, Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:50 (two years ago) link

I've always loved that bonkers Swamp Thing album

Josefa, Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:51 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r93bmuogf5s

xzanfar, Saturday, 5 March 2022 20:05 (two years ago) link

This song would seem impossible to re-interpret, but then I would have said the same thing about "Accordion"

Cherry Thing was ten years ago!

bendy, Monday, 7 March 2022 15:00 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

The Versions, 10 covers, collaborative project of female artists, out June 10, according to Republic Records Media:
Tracklisting:
Buffalo Stance (Robyn feat. Mapei)
Manchild (feat. Sia)
Woman (feat. ANOHNI)
Buddy X (feat. Greentea Peng)
Kootchi (feat. Jamila Woods)
Sassy (feat. TYSON)
Heart (feat. Sudan Archives)
Kisses On The Wind (feat. Seinabo Sey)
Manchild (feat. Kelsey Lu)
Buddy X (Honey Dijon Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT1egmJkP0s

dow, Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:35 (two years ago) link

Was excited about the prospect of a new Neneh Cherry album, but I doubt I need this. The Robyn cover, as noted upthread, was meh.

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:49 (two years ago) link


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