Well clearly Planet Mu think they both have their merits
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
seriously, no, its cool that both those things are on the same label
and machine drum isnt crap
it just seemed a bit muzaky to me when i heard it on the labels website is all
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
not feeling this. the chrissy murderbot record, on the other hand, is really fun.
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
the chrissy record is cool and sort of lodged itself in my head more than i expected it to but its a bit too lightweight and well, silly, though maybe thats just cos it was going for such an early 90sish vibe, idk. bit all over the place.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
it is very silly.
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
it's weird, these machinedrum tracks sound as sterile as i remember his '04 glitch-hop stuff sounding, but the sepalcure records are really lush. must be due to the other guy.
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
will investigate dj diamond & chrissy murderbot albumes
― night of the living based gods (flopson), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
chrissy murderbot album is good though if you're going to get anything with that vibe you may as well go for toddla t.
was gonna listen to the machinedrum but i think i lost my promo :/
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
all juke is pretty "idm" 2 me
― night of the living based gods (flopson), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
really like the last song, maybe the least footwork-ey though?
― night of the living based gods (flopson), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
some parts of the murderbot album are good silly and some parts are bad silly
― bed bath and beyoncé (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
reverend otm
the bad silly parts remind me of (bad/old) diplo
sterile is a good way to describe machinedrum
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 21 July 2011 08:18 (twelve years ago) link
that Machinedrum record isn't rly 'IDMified' in any meaningful way imo, other than what's obviously gonna be projected onto it considering what he spent most of the last decade making
I think it's good, sometimes, v good, on a basic level but it does essentially feel (to me) that he wrote a laundry list of dance genres he was feeling and then had a go at making them
need to listen to DJ Diamond more but I'm fairly sure I prefer it to Machinedrum, all that said
― nude defending a headcase (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:21 (twelve years ago) link
diamonds album is>>>
however i now think the murderbot album is one of those albums thats trying so hard to be FUN that it actually isnt as much fun as it wants to be
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
Enjoying the DJ Diamond album, sounds fairly straight down the line Juke, but very well done. Anyone else?
― Neil S, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
feel like there's some cool detroit techno sounding synths on "flight muzik" that lift it above the rest imo
machinedrum sort of a simultaneous update on both squarepusher and burial
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
sorry for the redundant "both"
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
love this set, esp the first three tracks and the steve reich sandwich: http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/41502
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
Who, outside of the Chicago DJs, is making footwork music ATM? I can only really think of Africa Hitech and Sully. Must be others? I'm not too up with this kind of stuff, but it interests me.
― Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:07 (twelve years ago) link
some uk producers have done stuff influenced by it but im struggling with examples
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
I just realised this Sully album I've been caning for the last couple of weeks was actually produced by an old mate I used to hang with a few years ago. Quite rare for the North Herts area...
― Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
machinedrum, this guy munchi, nguzunguzu, addison groove, etc
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
addison groove!!
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
I like the Sully album but I take it that's not what you're referring to wrt his footwork productions
right...?
― Amazing pic of the universe! - VERY NSFW (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
hm? There is quite a bit of footwork in the second half of the album. i can't believe it's the same guy i used to know - he used to play guitar in a true black metal band and now he's making this stuff...!
― Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think dudes who are not from chicago can credibly be said to produce footwork tracks
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
yeh dude and no one outside of bronx can credibly make hip hop.
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
excellent analogy
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
fake juke (or "footwork-inspired") tracks can be good too.
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
oh absolutely, machinedrum's "room(s)" is like a daily listen for me right now and if i had to make a top 10 tracks of the last two years there would for sure be at least one if not two or three addison groove tracks (mind you, he has a total of eight tracks released)
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
but i think that to say that addison groove is "making chicago juke" or "making footwork tracks" is not true to either chicago juke or addison groove
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think it's that untrue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e31Cdk1ijk
― fauxmarc, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
add chrissy murderbot to the encyclopedia of ersatz footwork
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
See, I understand the OG footwork stuff is pretty righteous and whatnot, but even aficionados will admit that much of the tacky/brutal aspects can get a bit wearisome after a while. I kind of like the more polished takes that are starting to creep into the work of external producers.
― Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
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think the point is more that if this production style starts to get proper global recognition outside of nerd circles (and I'm not saying it will), then if the consensus wants it to get called footwork then that's what it'll get called
― Amazing pic of the universe! - VERY NSFW (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
would've thought that was obvious. Saying it ain't footwork if it doesn't come from Chicago is like saying it ain't dubstep unless it's from South London or something.
― Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
it seems like there are only a few options when outsiders get inspired by a regional scene like this:
1) they cop the style really hard and make music that passes as authentic/integrate themselves into the scene
2) they take some of the ideas and do a watered-down, shittier interpretation
3) they take some of the ideas and make something that is different but actually good in its own right
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
has anyone not from chicago done #1
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
there are ppl from chicago doing # 2 certainly
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
no, it's not
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
not that i know of, but it's certainly happened with other scenes (thinking of new orleans, certain jazz & latin music, etc)
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
yes and that may happen in the future too
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
with chicago juke / footwork too
it's a bit like arguing that diplo is making "baile funk". i mean, i guess you can argue that if you want, but there's not really any point in learning anything about favelas or brazil because that's not going to tell you anything about diplo, whereas it will tell you quite a bit about actual funk carioca
same with calling addison groove or machinedrum footwork
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
footcrab was totally overrated looking back on it now
dumb shit is a bit better
he did a good thing in bringing it to ppl's attention though
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 1 September 2011 09:25 (twelve years ago) link
"Dumbshit" is alright, but "Footcrab" (and "Fuk Tha 101") are way more fun. Rly tho the best fake juke track by some distance is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYFYAa8iOBg
― markers aurelius (The Reverend), Thursday, 1 September 2011 09:57 (twelve years ago) link
Hmmm.... I guess this hinges on whether you consider footwork to be exclusive to Chicago or not. I'd find it hard to parse if a UK producer were said to be making "Chicago Juke", absolutely, but without the geographical signifier footwork has a very specific sound and I don't see why someone from out of Chicago couldn't be said to make it. This is starting to get like a conversation about champagne and sparkling wine.
― Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Thursday, 1 September 2011 10:06 (twelve years ago) link
xpost - I agree 'work them' is a fantastic track.
re: champagne and sparkling wine - similar but perhaps there is nothing as tangible as a grape to work with in this discussion.
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 1 September 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
I think there's enough of a sonic difference between Chicago Juke dudes and non Chicago Juke dudes to make a distinction that's not strictly geographical. Like, even something like footcrab would stand out from a list of DJ Rashad tracks, or whatever.
i think that to say that addison groove is "making chicago juke" or "making footwork tracks" is not true to either chicago juke or addison groove
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:15 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
OTM. Plus, Addison Groove = <3
― qpә (EDB), Thursday, 1 September 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
I have to step in here with the Champagne / sparkling wine comparison (I do wine for a living)... Champagne is Champagne because of the particularities of soil, climate, luminosity, weather patterns, ambient yeasts, etc, etc; i.e., it's of a specific place, and by definition cannot be made (or replicated) anywhere else on earth. This is the crux of meaningful wine, its "somewhereness"; no amount of technical copying or procedural mimicry can give it a sense of place other than that of where it's grown, unless it's heavily manipulated in the cellar, in which case it doesn't have a sense of place at all but just a sense of heavy-handed authorship/sculpting...
This is obviously different from music and musicians' places of origin in ways I don't think I need to elaborate, but the way I understand it, footwork is (at this point) very much rooted (pun intended) in Chicago, so I don't see why it's wrong to be suspicious of the notion that it can be made elsewhere in lumped right on in with what's happening there. I think we would all agree that music nearly always has a sense of place (and time); it's hard to articulate, but we as sensitive listeners recognize it.
― Clarke B., Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:34 (twelve years ago) link