Beyonce - 4

Thought Coldplay put plenty of thought into their performance as far as making it a spectacle etc

just need to get the music bit right.

...and not look punchable.

chris martin is quite energetic and entertaining these days, i was surprised. they put on a good show. even though i hate them.

xpost - yeah i dont want any shit versions of R&B but if rock bands think about putting on a SHOW again in the way prince or beyonce or even monae do, i think that could be good. equally i wish more R&B artists would drop a lot of the plasticky, overproduced elements of their live shows and just get good to honest bands and let them play properly.

i mean, i like beyonce and mary j etc but their live shows dont sound live enough

^^^^ I agree with this. All of this.

not saying a rock show has to be like kiss or pink floyd but you know what i mean. something other than 4 guys looking painfully ordinary and dreary in their t shirts and jeans.

fwiw i think princes live band sounds too plasticky and slick these days too but he at least has the excuse of being old.

That's it. When rock bands think about upping their game w/r/t live shows, they all too often start adding explosions and giant balloons and glitter and 3D light displays, which is all very well, but I was impressed at how little of that shit there was during Beyoncé's set - some nifty lighting and backdrops, a wind machine or two, and that's more or less all she needed. Didn't need a UFO or a white horse or a goose egg or a meat dress to make it a memorable performance. Not even a costume change IIRC.

Kind of depends on the venue for me, if it's a huge festival and you're not playing to your own crowd then maybe a bit of spectacle is needed, or a big arena with most of the audience sat down. Otherwise I don't really need any visual displays or choreography etc. tbh most of the really great gigs I've ever attended have mainly been 4 guys looking ordinary in jeans and t shirts.

actually i suppose when you think modern rock showmanship most ppl prob think of u2

sadly, yes.

so. beyonce.

xpost i guess being a cunt is one of the best and simplest ways to put on an alternative rock performance

okay, yellow card time for the brits

i am getting really into Best Thing I Never Had

it's one of those songs that i think makes much more sense in the context of the album than as a pre-release single

her glasto performance of it was v good

still kinda stunned at diplo/switch being behind "end of time" btw

i rly cannot stand Run The World - what a clunker to close it out

that song does get worse every time i hear it

yeah fuck that song

yep

like i said earlier, i'm gonna delete that song & the tedder/warren ballad i refuse to listen to & just pretend like the real album ends w/ the deluxe tracks

"Pon De Floor" pwns in any incarnation

"End of Time" is hot tho

the bass in "end of time" is so dope

altho i'm drawing the line diplo/switch/terius collaborations spilling over into his solo album(s)

the line AT

Erykah Badu would go down just fine at Glastonbury, if anything she's the sort of R&B that would work best there (live-sounding/organic, compelling stage presence). Doglatin you've been to the festival several times you must surely know it's not just wall-to-wall-indie and hasn't been for many yeears, if it ever was.

Beyonce was amazing yesterday, total rapturous reception. Doing the standard diva-turning-up-late thing didn't go down too well (a bit of booing) but the place was in raptures from pretty much the word go. Massive turnout as well.

I got a text about the Zane Lowe thing last night, sounded hilarious. Pretty obvious everyone just hates him and that was an excuse for an explosion of hatred.

i rly cannot stand Run The World - what a clunker to close it out

Seconded. This and the Warren-Tedder song kill the momentum.

"Run the World" is so frustrating. It has so many ingredients that have made previous B songs fantastic, but I guess at some point it really is time to put the drum cadences aside.

Just kidding. Drum cadences = all time C

Except in this song.

yeah that song is just a complete sack of shit

It's shrill and the bass kicks only come in, like, twice during the whole song for four measures. Club rocker fail.

i still love "run the world" but i never listen to it as part of the album

the chorus sounds like beyonce is a pre school teacher and she instructed the girls in her class to yell GIRLS after every time she says "who run the world?"

i do like the verses better than the chorus - like dan though it's really mostly about "pon de floor" being catnip to me and beyoncé handling it adequately in its worst moments ("GIRLS!") and fairly awesomely in its best moments ("I THINK I NEED A BARBER")

yall are crazy it's a jam

yall are crazy it's a jam

toe jam more like

She didn't close on Run The World (although that song went down really well at the festival), she closed with Halo, and I think there was another song just before that.

the chorus sounds like beyonce is a pre school teacher and she instructed the girls in her class to yell GIRLS after every time she says "who run the world?"

in which surm explains call and response

it's a concept desperately in search of a song

To me the strength of this album is her and her producers' determination to avoid concepts in favor of a more considered, full-bodied songwriting. Her erotic agitprop is a large part of her appeal, but she couldn't do it forever.

i do not need a song

i need beyonce yelling at me over drumrolls

that is completely acceptable in lieu of a song

not sure about that last sentence but "her and her producers' determination to avoid concepts in favor of a more considered, full-bodied songwriting" is nail on the head

xp

i do not need a song

i need beyonce yelling at me over drumrolls

was getting bored of it tbh

luckily she offers "Countdown" here, which is a sop to us both.

brad nelson more like stan nelson

i will not stop till everyone acknowledges the greatness of "end of time"

not greatness, superiority