New Joanna Newsom Album "Ys" Due Nov 14

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that will be AMAZING.

― jonathan - stl (jonathan - stl), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Drowned in Sound just gave this a 10/10 which I find pretty ridiculous. I'ts a nice record and all, but I think it really could have benefitted from letting the instruments breathe a bit. I enjoy her voice for the most part, but 10 minutes straight of it, can really wear thin. I also dont' really see this album as "groundbreaking" as lots of critics do, which is strange, because music critics should be fully versed in music history and clearly this owes a lot to its ancestors.

― zippezappy (doomed), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think people would love this album if its pedigree wasn't so lofty.

― Owen Pallett (Owen Pallett), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

What are the supposedly obvious precedents for this really lengthy narrative song structure and style?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

gosh, that DiS review is unmitigated fanboy garbage. Perfect! Perfect! *fapfapfap*

I still find this an admirable, ambitious record, but also a flawed and problematic one. I doubt anyone else is going to nail how I feel about this one closer than the Stylus review. Which gives it a good grade, but reads as similarly conflicted w/r/t to my own feelings about Ys, even if they don't quite stretch to "enchantment".

― new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

the rolling stone review is awful, but i don't want to blame the poor writer who has to give the album less than 150 words.

― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

I just keep returning to "Cosmia".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i think cosmia's the standout too, but the last 3 minutes of only skin are pretty great.

― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

"Sawdust & Diamonds" is by far my fave, which tells me I don't really care for the orchestrations.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

What are the supposedly obvious precedents for this really lengthy narrative song structure and style?

I've only listened to it once so far, but it did sort of remind me of the Phil Ochs song 'Crucifixion' in places. Obviously that's the Van Dyke Parks link in full effect.

― NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

also Peter and the Wolf, but.... and yeah, "Cosmia" is the deepest cut for me too, tho "Sawdust and Diamonds"--especially the "long face" bit--is pretty gorgeous.

― mike powell (mike powell), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Cosmia" might be the shallowest cut! By far! Not a knock on the song at all; it just happens to be on an album with those other four tracks.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

oops, I think I meant it like "the first cut is the deepest" not like "that girl, she's deep," which are close enough, but pretty different when it comes to knives.

― mike powell (mike powell), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

the fact that nobody here is saying the whole album is good, is testament to the fact that it's overbloated

― zippezappy (doomed), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with the Peter and the Wolf call, it seems as though the strings & other additional bits and pieces are doing some kind of interpretation of the lyrics. And the 'long face' verse too, my gosh

― badg (badg), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

I definitely think the whole album is good.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't read this thread, but Joanna Newsome sounds like Ms. Kitty from Mr. Rogers' Land of Make Believe.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 9 November 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

you say that like it's a bad thing

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

another tally for those somehow qualified to critique her music
but don't know how to spell her name.
--not a defensive remark, this just seems to be the trend.

and on the "bad thing" remark, yesterday i had someone add the 'e'
and try to insult her by saying she sounds like lisa simpson--yeah, why IS that bad?

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Thursday, 9 November 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

But Lisa Simpson's album sucked! All that sax!

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

and on the "bad thing" remark, yesterday i had someone add the 'e'

ts for misspellings designed to infuriate sub-editors: joanna newsome v missy elliot

(the missy misspelling is far out in front because it has been going on for a DECADE now and shows no sign of slowing down EVEN THOUGH SHE SPELLS HER NAME CORRECTLY ON ALL HER SLEEVES)

i really really want to hear ys but i am not convinced that i'll like it and so am unwilling to spend money on it

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 9 November 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

I definitely think the whole album is good.

― Nedpoleon (NedBeauman), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

i really really want to hear ys but i am not convinced that i'll like it and so am unwilling to spend money on it

No one who's heard it here has spent any money on it, it's not out yet!

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

it is in the shops. i saw it yesterday.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 9 November 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Came out on the 7th here in the UK I think.

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 9 November 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ah ok, Amazon US still has it as 11/14. Anyway you've got around 300 posts of people who heard it without paying for it.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

another tally for those somehow qualified to critique her music
but don't know how to spell her name.

Dude, what kind of stick is stuck in your ass? Of COURSE people are qualified to critique her music without spelling her name correctly! What the hell does the spelling of her name have to do with her music? Moreover, my critique offered NO OPINION WHATSOEVER about whether her music was good or bad--I just said she sounded like Miss Kitty. And she does. That is all.

Touchy-ass fanboys. Sheesh.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Petridis loved it! He said she had been likened to MARGE Simpson ... didn't he?

― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/critic/review/0,,1937687,00.html

― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

ha, her name is misspelled in body of the Guardian article even though they managed to really nail it in the header.

― mike powell (mike powell), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

though the inconsistency seems charming compared to the lines that follow, where the album's title is first described as "literally unspeakable" and then given a phoenetic spelling.

― mike powell (mike powell), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

'Its title is literally unspeakable - apparently, you're meant to pronounce it "ees".'

Oh, I had no idea about that. I've totally been reading it as 'wise' - thought it might have been some sort of concept album about Ernie.

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

I only knew how to pronounce it because of the videogames.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

according to the wire interview, its the name of a fabled irish island city

― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

French.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

yeah:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

"breton mythology"

yep

― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I guess that sounds classier than just going "I had a Turbografx as kid."

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Devendra Banhart "Bonk's Revenge"

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Touchy-ass fan~~boys~~girls. Sheesh.

beep. I hit the wrong button.

(>>>>"not a defensive remark")

My apologies, son.

Of COURSE people are qualified to critique her music without spelling her name correctly! What the hell does the spelling of her name have to do with her music?

Wellll
--and this observation is far removed your own neutral remark--
there does seem to be an arguable correlation between the banal critiques of her vocal doses and that spare e.

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone else like the live version of "Only Skin" better?

Well...searching through the thread, it looks like Edward said something about that:
"The elegant sweep of movements in "Only Skin" are flattened into sequential morasses of sound. To give a specific instance, the cascasding runs during the "rolling along, among the reeds among the rushes" segment have less of an impact because of the accompanying orchestral surge."

The 16 minutes is something nice to hear when you're idle,
but I would much rather repeat the live piano version because it dives right into that wonderful rhythm.

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

finest album of the first decade of this millenium....get back to me in 2009

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Friday, 10 November 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

The number of positive reviews on the wiki page kinda freaks me out.

Haven't found the leaked version (HOW THE HELL aka yr torrent networks is garbage, son), so I'm just gonna pony the fuck up and buy it next week.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 10 November 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

isohunt brah that's where i found it

― max (maxreax), Friday, 10 November 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

all over s0uls££k aswell.

― pisces (piscesx), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand why people think it's so revolutionary and ground breaking. I"d attribute the good bits to VDP and the annoying , run on sentances and monkeys and bears to ms. newsom

― zippezappy (doomed), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cokemachineglow.com/reviews/joannanewsom_ys2006.html

i agree with mark

― zippezappy (doomed), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

why is nobody else mentioning COCOROSIE ? that's *kinda* what bits of it sounds like. well their first album at any rate.

fantastic though isn't it? i mean head-fuckingly fantastic.

― pisces (piscesx), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

great package.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

i think i'm the only person in the universe who thinks it's a sham. just saw her metacritic scores and they are mind bogglingly high. It's insane to me that everyone thinks it's so "incredible"

It's not that I don't get it, I GET IT
I just don't think it's very good

― zippezappy (doomed), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

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