Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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Lex is to pop as George Galloway is to liberalism.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Lex is to pop as Geir is to rock.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:35 (twenty years ago)

Lex is to Pop as of all that suppression.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:44 (twenty years ago)

at the end of the day she's probably the most lex-y pop act ever, so of *course* he can't like her.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)

Lex is to Pop as Pop was to U2.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:48 (twenty years ago)

I thought Lady Sovereign was collaborating with the Ordinary Boys out of record company desperation?

The Nipper's Betty Boo point makes no sense other than the fact they are both girls who make summery pop music, and the argument doesn't really wash given the rabid Girls Aloud love on here.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:00 (twenty years ago)

Lady Sovereign "collaborating" with the Ordinary Boys - probably at the point of a record company bayonet.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:02 (twenty years ago)

well i can imagine another Lily Allen track being a lot like 'Let Me Take You There'

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:04 (twenty years ago)

So those of us who already have the Four Tops Greatest Hits won't need to bother...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Lily Allen is not pop she is indie. Lex is to indie what lions are to Christians.

Alex you know I have a lot of time for your opinions on music and will happily defer to you on most musical issues, so I hope you don't think I'm being unnecessarily contrary when I ask "where on earth is the Britpop in Lily Allen's music?"

I think Chuck Tatum hit it on the nail upthread when he likened Allen to a Britpop novelty act - that horrid jaunty ska beat, those chuggachugga guitars, the voice which is basically a female Allbran Mockney voice...

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:21 (twenty years ago)

I think Lex has a mockney on his back

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

Personally, I can't wait for Marcello to write up a 50,000 essay on Lily Allen only for the girl herself to laugh at it in an upcoming interview.

That's always fun.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

Lily Allen is to Lex as MIA was to Grimin' Simon.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

Well no, I'd have to like her music first... (xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:24 (twenty years ago)

well, yes, britpop was all about the ska.

just listen to pulp, suede, or elastica -- you can't miss it.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)

Lily Allen is to Lex as MIA was to Grimin' Simon.

except simon had no actual valid reasons for disliking MIA! whereas I have the entirely valid reason that no one should be making music with ska rhythms or guitars in at all in 2006.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)

What, like Desmond Dekker isn't?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:27 (twenty years ago)

precisely!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:27 (twenty years ago)

(xpost, holmes)

That shouldn't stop you writing that 50,000 essay on a blog that nobody will ever read, Carlin.

Try linking her to Blair, neo-liberalism and Mind Your Language for bonus Carmodism hit points.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Enrique OTM. Menswear's version of 'Lip Up Fatty' has to be heard to be believed.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:35 (twenty years ago)

I thought lots of people read Church Of Me?

And some people read Esteban's Live Journal?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:37 (twenty years ago)

No Buts It's Got to Be Buttez

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:40 (twenty years ago)

any thread that has lex talking bollocks about guitars *and* esteban trying to start some trouble with marcello has got to be worth bookmarking.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:43 (twenty years ago)

esteban has a livejournal!?!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Ah well, yet another enjoyable thread ruined by a career troll.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:05 (twenty years ago)

I better get out this thread while the going's good, guys!

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:26 (twenty years ago)

Especially now it's being ruined by a "career troll".

Whoever that is.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:28 (twenty years ago)

i think he means lex.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh, of course.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

By the way, here is some nice new pictures of Miss Allen looking cute ^__^

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:36 (twenty years ago)

i can't believe i fell for that!

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Cod-reggae =! pop

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Nor does it equal Kylie or Betty Boo or whatever else. MIA's pop was forward-looking; Lily's is pretty distinctly not. Backwards-looking music is fine but I think ILM likes its pop futurist.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

The album often sounds like the Sugababes.

― snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

TS: "LDN" vs. "Steal My Sunshine"

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I think ILM likes its pop futurist.

People talk about [ILM], like it's some giant living in the hillside, coming down to visit the townspeople. We are [ILM]. Me, you, everybody.

We are [ILM], so [ILM] is going where we going. So the next time you ask yourself where [ILM] is going, ask yourself: ‘where am I going? How am I doin?’

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

In that case, right now, ILM is waiting to see if it received a job offer from Dairy Queen.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

It's a bit like Arthur O'Shaughnessy said in "Ode" from his book I Love Music and Moonlight (1874):

"Everybody are the music makers, and ILM are the writers about the dream. Wandering by lone sea breakers, and sitting by desolate streams. World losers and world forsakers, for whom the pale moon gleams. Yet ILM are movers and the shakers of the world forever it seems.”

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh Em Gee! ILM got the job. Get excited! 'Movers and shakers of the world' is correct.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Cod-reggae =! pop

you can't call cod-reggae not pop just cuz you don't like cod-reggae.

i like cod-reggae, along with many other varieties. i also like all of lady sov's singles to varying degrees and don't understand what downward trajectory she's supposed to be on. so my critical faculties are not to be trusted here. i agree that lily a's songs are not as sonically distinctive as m.i.a.'s. that's why my first point of comparison for her was nelly furtado. who i also like.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

(and i think one of the problems w/this thread might be its inflationary title. otoh, it did get me to look.)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:57 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure if M.I.A. mostly fetishising early-to-mid-nineties stripped down dancehall makes her obviously more futurist than Lily Allen fetishising late-eighties-to-mid-nineties cod-reggae.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

"Knock 'Em Out" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LDN"

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

yeah i dunno about the "futurist" stuff, that's a dubious notion really. but m.i.a.'s sonic identity is more specific and defined (possibly a weakness, the next album will give some indicators on that).

also this line about lily allen being "indie" and "not pop" is confusing. again people seem to be excluding from "pop" things they just don't like. but of course the whole idea of pop is anti-exclusion, so it seems kind of comically doctrinaire. are we already to the purge stage of poppism?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:22 (twenty years ago)

"Go away now. Let me go. Are you stupid or just a little slow? Please fuck off. Go away now. I've made myself clear. It's not gonna happen. Not in a million years."

See, this is what pop needs more of. More bands and artists should just say what's on their minds.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)

And anyway I think that any explicit and exclusive futurism position on pop music is pretty hard to maintain at the moment, when it feels like almost every big pop genre is so retro at the moment! Dancehall be rootsy, R&B/hip hop are obsessed with funk, UK pop is reviving electro or doing genre pick'n'mix (Xenomania)... Even crunk and grime are basically in holding patterns, and reggaeton is kinda like two steps back one step forward.

If we're going to talk about what pop does well currently - and then punish Lily for not meeting that standard - we have to talk in terms more sophisticated than FUTURISM = GOOD / RETRO = BAD.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:44 (twenty years ago)

reggaeton is kinda like two steps back one step forward.

that's the actual reggaeton beat, i think.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

haha, i love reggaeton but i have no idea what these steps forward that it's taken are!

i also like all of lady sov's singles to varying degrees and don't understand what downward trajectory she's supposed to be on.

'ch ching' (incredible sunship production + blistering performance from sov) => 'a little bit of shhh' (again magnificent - "OH MY GOD PIANOS!") => 'blah blah' (still great but not as OMG as the first two) => 'random' (fantastic pop song but too much of a sense of reining herself in) => '9 to 5' (oh dear ska, but at least it's catchy) => 'hoodie' (basement jaxx fail to provide magic spark, entire world is like wvs) => '9 to 5 (ordinary boys rmx)' (GAH GAH ABORT MISSION AARGH)

that's why my first point of comparison for her was nelly furtado. who i also like.

this makes sense yes - old-nelly rather than nu-nelly, anyway. and the only old-nelly song i like is 'turn off the light'.

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:08 (twenty years ago)

"haha, i love reggaeton but i have no idea what these steps forward that it's taken are!"

None! I meant that it only finds novelty (one step forward) by focusing on a rhythmic idea that's been floating round the carribean and central america for ages.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't there another SOV single after Hoodie that bombed so bad even ILM only briefly registered it's existence? "Public Warning" or something it was called?

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 4 June 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

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