what people, lex?
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:05 (fifteen years ago)
ah what the hell i don't usually do self-promo on ilx but i really enjoyed writing this review & am kind of proud of it http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/music/with-4-beyonc-applies-her-work-ethic-to-emotions
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
xp other critics. the ones who enjoy kanye's swagu line :(
"love on top" is too retro tho
Has the pop market changed so much since "Crazy in Love" or even "Ain't No Other Man"?
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
...yes
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
...it can't change again?
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
honestly i don't really care whether there are "singles" on this because judging it on that basis in advance is on some crystal ball shit
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:58 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
it's not a criteria for judging the music on an album sure but it's a pretty inevitable line of conversation for one of the biggest hitmakers in the world
― some dude, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
I don't know. The auteurist pop star is as powerful as ever, and I don't hear how Clear Channel would resist a Beyonce single this ingratiating.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
"love on top" is a great song, but i don't think it's going to change the pop landscape, no
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
did you think "irreplaceable" would change the pop landscape?
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
I didn't at all mention changing the pop landscape -- I wondered merely about its reception.
Lex, that's one of your best, most intelligenet reviews.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:11 (fifteen years ago)
*intelligent
oh no wonder I hate "I Am Here" -- it's written by Dianne Goddamn Warren.
"sweet dreams" & "ego" were pretty modest hits, tho hits they were! "love on top" could do well, but it's not gonna be a smash
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
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Bet the editors giggled thinking of lex's response.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:14 (fifteen years ago)
ooh i just picked up on the grocery bagging on "countdown"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:16 (fifteen years ago)
thanks alfred
i don't think my editors there know about my views on pfork!
the grocery bagging on "countdown" is kind of great
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
the bass in "end of time" is great
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:20 (fifteen years ago)
also still really interested in writing/production credits on this
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:24 (fifteen years ago)
I read somewhere someone said "I Miss You" was about a miscarriage (carrying on this supposed baby theme of the album) because the music sounds like a sonogram or something. o.O
― PΓ☼LΞG☼ (prolego), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:30 (fifteen years ago)
damn, i guess her & frank ocean really had some deep chats
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
The phrasing of the chorus in End of Time always makes me think of the "seen a lotta places, been all around the world" bit in Yamaha.
― Fetchboy, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
Still think 1+1 is a hit
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:34 (fifteen years ago)
As in a song destined to be one
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
a miscarriage interpretation wouldn't be implausible, i guess. i mean the only line explicitly about a baby is on "countdown" and i could well imagine she threw that in just to fulfil the song's concept
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
Apparently Diplo produced "End of Time"? Didn't know he had it in him
― Number None, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:40 (fifteen years ago)
I particularly love the analysis of Beyoncé as a hedge fund in your review lex, it reminded me of a scene from old destiny's child footage (when beyonce was in queen bitch survivor mode) - it's the last part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZzJ8-qTkg0
Look at the sheer disgust Beyoncé has on her face when Michelle says that if she was Queen for a day the thing she'd want would be for things to be free - the removal of all economic value from things would probably be her vision of hell!
(and then Farrah says "you'd get kicked out", though to whom? <3)
― PΓ☼LΞG☼ (prolego), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:50 (fifteen years ago)
Also:
My favorite song is actually going to be on the deluxe (Target) edition of "4." It's a song called "School & Life." It has a Prince vibe. The-Dream wrote and produced it, and it's basically a song about life and growing up. We recorded that toward the end of the project. As soon as I heard it I told B, "That's the one . . . I love that song." I actually got the chance to mix that record. It was incredible that she allowed me to do that.
― Number None, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:51 (fifteen years ago)
Perth musician and one-half of electro-pop duo Empire Of The Sun, Luke Steele will appear on Beyonce's upcoming album. Steele, who cut his musical teeth in the Perth band Sleepy Jackson, has co-written a track on the R&B star's highly anticipated album titled 4, which is due for official release next week. The song, Rather Die Young, has been leaked online today and is being touted by reviewers and music bloggers in the US as the one of the highlights of Beyonce's fourth studio album. Steele's influence is also heard in the instrumentals of the electronic sounding love ballad.
― Number None, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:55 (fifteen years ago)
"Rather Die Young" sounds like Diamonds & Pearls-era Prince
― The Brainwasher, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:56 (fifteen years ago)
OMG that clip prolego. "everything - would be free?"
also given that beyoncé WAS queen of DC (not just for a day) that was tantamount to lèse majesté. shocking stuff, michelle :o
also, beyoncé as hedge fund would make solange one of those "ethical" banks (that secretly fund grizzly bear shows)
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:57 (fifteen years ago)
Number None where are you c/ping from?
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:00 (fifteen years ago)
The quote about The-Dream song is from thishttp://www.billboard.com/#/news/beyonce-experimented-with-everything-on-1005240182.storyLuke Steele bit from herehttp://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/luke-steeles-love-song-for-beyonce-20110617-1g796.html
Just got those from googling around to see what credits i could scare up
― Number None, Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:05 (fifteen years ago)
Supposedly Rich Harrison worked on the album too. "Love On Top" maybe?
― Number None, Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:06 (fifteen years ago)
it's so weird to me that beyoncé has been to bath, lol
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:14 (fifteen years ago)
Great review, lex.
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:42 (fifteen years ago)
uh, so "rather die young" was co-written from some guy from empire of the sun??????
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/luke-steeles-love-song-for-beyonce-20110617-1g796.html
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 19 June 2011 04:14 (fifteen years ago)
smh.com
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Sunday, 19 June 2011 04:15 (fifteen years ago)
http://images.smh.com.au/2011/06/17/2436504/Luke-Steele_729-420x0.jpg
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 19 June 2011 04:15 (fifteen years ago)
andre 3000 flows like yelawolf on this
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 19 June 2011 05:25 (fifteen years ago)
i had zero expectations for this album after sasha fierce/"run the world" but this is really one of the better albums released this year
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 19 June 2011 05:36 (fifteen years ago)
xp more like yela kinda flows like andre
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Sunday, 19 June 2011 07:22 (fifteen years ago)
I'm not sure how anyone can confidently say there are no hit singles on this album, or that it's too retro, in a pop environment where Adele is the year's biggest star.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 19 June 2011 17:57 (fifteen years ago)
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:22 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark
well yeah, but there's something about the elongation of "ooooo" in that verse that struck me as distinctly yelawolf
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 19 June 2011 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
― Matt DC, Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:57 PM (13 minutes ago)
in the uk maybe dude
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Sunday, 19 June 2011 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
the better example would be cee-lo, but that's more kitschy than "love on top" -- i mean retro songs can be hits still certainly, but i don't think there's a smash on this album
there might not actually be a song as big as "motivation"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 19 June 2011 18:14 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i know what you mean
― j lol (surm), Sunday, 19 June 2011 20:04 (fifteen years ago)
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:10 AM Bookmark
and like second biggest in the us?
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Sunday, 19 June 2011 20:36 (fifteen years ago)
nah, biggest in US to
― Helen Girly Drown (Whiney G. Weingarten) (some dude), Sunday, 19 June 2011 22:11 (fifteen years ago)