★ The Weeknd ★ What You Need ★

some dude otm

lol u were just cosigning one side of the argument!

i mean, id be ok with minor oddball R&B record if thats all it was, like, swade or something. but instead its treated like the best record since voodoo

― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:26 PM Bookmark

I just don't see how this detracts from it as the minor oddball r&b record that it is.

"the wrong people like it for the wrong reasons" = the lamest critical stance possible. if you like it, say you like it. if you hate it, that should be good enough.

"the wrong people like it for the wrong reasons" = the lamest critical stance possible. if you like it, say you like it. if you hate it, that should be good enough.

― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, June 17, 2011 12:36 AM (1 second ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah context has no bearing whatsoever on how ppl receive things **rolls eyes thru back of skull, dies**

i def prefer RTC's hypersensitivity to context to the DEEP TASTE opposite

i mean, fwiw, my stance is that i wouldnt be offended if a lot of people thought 'hey this is a nice minor R&B record' even though i didnt much care for it -- i might even be more open to listening to some of the tracks i was "OK" with, and checking for the dude's new stuff

but when a lot of ppl go ape over something so obviously par-at-best, it does push me away from a record

taking context into account is completely cool. "rmde at herbs likin lame shit" = zzzzzzzzzzz

but we've had this fite like a billion times before. hi deej!

rmdeiboh,d

it just weirds me out how the people who listen to what the media tastemakers are hyping up are the people who always say the hype doesn't matter and they're just responding honestly to the music. like that shit happens constantly.

Eh, the context I first encountered the Weeknd in was Jaxon posting about them in the alt-r&b thread or something like that, and that's pretty much the perception I've held onto. At any rate, it's only about a 7/10 record, so I'm hardly offended if people aren't into it. I just find the hype/backlash cycle bewildering.

lol u were just cosigning one side of the argument!

― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:32 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

no i was saying "how weird that we got worked up over an album that isnt really getting worked up over"

it just weirds me out how the people who listen to what the media tastemakers are hyping up are the people who always say the hype doesn't matter and they're just responding honestly to the music. like that shit happens constantly.

― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:44 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

sure, but that's just the highest level of the received wisdom cycle. in this or that niche, there are heavily hyped artists & sacred cows that flirt with but never really through to mainstream acceptance. in their little niche-worlds, however, tastemakers are still leading the way and fans are claiming that hype doesn't matter, that they're just responding honestly. and in the sub-niches below those niches (local scenes, for instance), the same thing happens again.

mainstream tastemakers and camp followers aren't any more guilty of this than anyone else, they're just more visible. unless your taste is totally isolated from any critical/hype apparatus, you're almost certainly engaged with a similar dynamic, even if it's just with your friends. i just don't see anything particularly egregious about the fact that people do things collectively, as well as individually.

"isnt really worth getting worked up over"

also what Rev is saying basically

I'm listening to the weeknd right now, nyah nyah

:O

fyi here's the magician mix with the sped up glass table girls (I think)

http://soundcloud.com/themagician/magic-tape-eleven

starts about 12:30, it's fun, the weeknd sound like an indie girl band

sure, but that's just the highest level of the received wisdom cycle. in this or that niche, there are heavily hyped artists & sacred cows that flirt with but never really through to mainstream acceptance. in their little niche-worlds, however, tastemakers are still leading the way and fans are claiming that hype doesn't matter, that they're just responding honestly. and in the sub-niches below those niches (local scenes, for instance), the same thing happens again.

mainstream tastemakers and camp followers aren't any more guilty of this than anyone else, they're just more visible. unless your taste is totally isolated from any critical/hype apparatus, you're almost certainly engaged with a similar dynamic, even if it's just with your friends. i just don't see anything particularly egregious about the fact that people do things collectively, as well as individually.

― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, June 17, 2011 12:52 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this implies there isnt a larger structural heirarchy of power dynamics or w/e sorry been reading Foucault but it is true

oh jesus the last thing we need in this thread is a Foucault reference.

well its sorta the best way of explaining how we are critiquing the critical love affair w/ a 7/10 at best R&B album

i mean i reject the 'youre just a part of the hype cycle!' argument mainly bcuz its not like al & i dont ever enjoy records that are hyped and dislike others. we're removing ourselves from that kind of kneejerk discourse simply by saying, well, this record is where i would draw a line (not to put words in al's mouth he can say if he disagrees)

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yeah, but disparaging a record or critic for being part of the hype cycle is hypocritical and tiresome unless you're totally outside of not only the mainstream hype cycle, but whatever hype cycles dominate in the niches you actually care about. i mean sure, everybody has to draw the line somewhere, but it's just as kneejerk to slam an album for being overhyped as it is to express interest in something other people are listening to and talking about.

if you think you're striking a blow against empire by raising your eyebrow at the weeknd record, then cool, but i'm not entirely convinced.

thats an absurd standard. 'if you're not ending segregation, then telling a racist to stfu isnt really striking a blow against the system'

i'm not sure racism is really the issue here

yeah, but disparaging a record or critic for being part of the hype cycle is hypocritical and tiresome unless you're totally outside of not only the mainstream hype cycle, but whatever hype cycles dominate in the niches you actually care about.

it is? i disagree

the issue here is "lol deej"

i'm not sure racism is really the issue here

― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, June 17, 2011 1:42 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

... its not

and the analogy is more like: if you're a running-dog cheerleader for capitalist interests, you can't really begrudge other capitalists their success

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that was an extreme example to show the fallacy in your argument

hey grady, if you dont care, why post?

i love everything!

and the analogy is more like: if you're a running-dog cheerleader for capitalist interests, you can't really begrudge other capitalists their success

― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, June 17, 2011 1:44 AM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what? that doesnt make any sense as an analogy.

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would rather have a puppy on my turntable than the weeknd amirite

ask not for who the thread trolls

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i would go on basically forever, but i have places to be. deej wins!

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hey grady, if you dont care, why post?

― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Friday, June 17, 2011 1:44 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i would go on basically forever, but i have places to be. deej wins!

― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, June 17, 2011 1:51 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

since when do u not have the time to write 8 paragraphs

fwiw im pretty sure we were talking past each other & a couple posts would have figured out where the discrepancy was but w/e if yall want to play 'lol deej' go ahead. sorry for trying to talk about the thread topic in the thread

these threads are 3000x less interesting when its a bunch of bros going "yeah cool record" just imo

i'll get back to this, just gotta go do a thing

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that gif would make anything seem fresh

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gr8080 blowing up the universe at this rate <3