The Boo Radleys, Classic or Dud?

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Free Huey's lameass beat brings back memories of C+C Music Factory from about 1991.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Giant Steps - Classic
Wake Up - Classic
C'mon Kids - Classic
Kingsize - Classic

One of the best bands ever - as well as the above there are loads of ace b-sides and other stuff.

Love 'em to bits and always will. BOO Forever people.

Bev#, Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

yes "free huey" killed the boos. Nice to see this thread revived

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Even when I'm with my Boo, you know I'm crazy over you!

Kelly, Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Free Huey's lameass beat brings back memories of C+C Music Factory from about 1991.

And your problem is?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Went home at lunchtime and pulled my CDR "BooBest" comp that I made a few years ago. Here's the tracklist:

1. Martin, Doom! It's Seven O'Clock
2. I Hang Suspended
3. What's In The Box (See Whatcha Got)
4. Take The Time Around
5. Almost Nearly There
6. Wake Up Boo!
7. There She Goes
8. Lazy Day
9. Zoom
10. Hold On Brother
11. Ride The Tiger
12. Skyscraper
13. Stuck On Amber
14. Does This Hurt?
15. Memory Babe
16. Wish I Was Skinny
17. Reaching Out From Here
18. Kingsize
19. Wilder

Feel free to rant or rave over my choices.

Forgot all about a few of these tracks, like "Hold On Brother" which is from the War Child comp, "There She Goes" from the So I Married An Axe Murderer OST, and "Almost Nearly There" which is a "From the Bench of Belvidere" B-side

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 15 May 2003 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

any boos best of without "if you want it, take it" does not get my seal of approval ;-)

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 15 May 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

wilder? what is the appeal of that piece of crap? when i heard it i though ' gee what an anti-climactic way to end a great album'.

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 16 May 2003 00:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard them on several occassions and found them to be really weak and unsatisfying. Classic example of really wanting to like a band but not being able to. I don't know exactly what it is, they simply never made a spark for me. Maybe I need to give them another chance.

Clarke B., Friday, 16 May 2003 02:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Their cover of Zoom is ace, as is Almost Nearly There. Wasn't too mad on Oh, Brother, What's In The Box or Wish I Was Skinny for some reason. Thought they were too straightforward for me.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I played all the albums again after reading this thread and came to the slightly unexpected conclusion that I actually like Kingsize best of them all - if they lopped The Future Is Now off the end and maybe Monuments For A Dead Century, it'd be 100% glorious streamlined pristine pop thing which adds weight to the "pastiche-is-NOT-a-dirty-word" argument.

I love the Boo Radleys again, now. Hurrah!

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Friday, 23 May 2003 08:41 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
I have just bought Kingsize and on first listen, what strikes me is that
"Kingsize", the track, borrows from Sheena Easton's James Bond theme song, "For your eyes only". Does anyone else hear the 007/Bill "Rocky" Conti influence?

Cheers!

paul c, Monday, 23 June 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Everything's Alright Forever arrived this morning. I'm about to dive in.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 23 June 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, I changed my earlier opinion. Bought Everything's Alright Forever used and am really enjoying it... I must've heard some of their later stuff or something.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 24 June 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got "Giant Steps" back from my sister after she borrowed it for months on end, and after listening to it again I have solidyfied my theory that it is the greatest album ever.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, I need to get Everything's Alright Forever. Especially considering that the excessive repeated play of one of the songs on it gave rise to the term "Carolanning".

Search: Boo Faith and the early EPs compilation
Destroy: everything post Giant Steps

kate (kate), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's one on vinyl, kate.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks but I've not got a record player any more!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh well.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

sucks to be you. even the big box stores here in american suburbs have 'em for about $100.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Aren't they one of those groups whose album covers got increasingly hideous as their music got increasingly lame?

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, you're mean.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

B-b-but Ned I said I really liked EAF! And I'll buy Giant Steps too and the early EPs as soon as I find 'em!

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Rah. :-) Let me know if there's anything you can't dig up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud cuz one of the members used to shag the friend of my sister who i had a crush on

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Boos were/are totally classic. So there. (Borne out by most of you, nuff said.)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

And I say again - great band! I don't think anyone has mentioned 'Learning To Walk', which was a great collection of groovy tunes.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

a great collection of groovy tunes

best recommendation ever

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought I did. But not by name cause I couldn't remember it.

kate (kate), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
I've heard that theirs a pair of giraffes hidden in the cover art of Giant Steps, can anyone point them out?

T. Weiss (Timmy), Monday, 4 August 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Bottom corner; right-hand side, I think.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 4 August 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't see em! where are these elusive quadrapeds?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

They're really tiny and squeezed into a corner; they are there, trust me!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oh I see them! Bottom left hand corner folks, extra small inside the biggest "petal" of the orange border.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I shall investigate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
Just thought I'd remind everyone that I still think they're the best band of the 90s by a country mile. Inspired by a digging out of my b-sides collection which is awesome and possibly their best collection.

Please, for the love of god, if you love music buy "Find A Way Out". You'll be very pleased.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

I have never seen this thread before but been on ILM for less then a year.

When I first heard that they were going to put out the anthology Find The Way Out, I decided to go back and play every album to get ready for it. Worth buying because the remastered songs sound just a bit richer. I would play only one for a solid week or longer then on to the next one. I Love them but was going to be honest with myself and if anything didn't hold up I would have to admit it. Are they really the best band from the 90s bar none? Well I was going to find out.

Learning To Walk was still some glorious white noise. Everything's Alright Forever has some amazing pieces of music on it. They matured quite a bit from those first three E.P.'s, but not the greatest thing. Compared to other things around this time that was similar it's really good but compared to the Boos stuff, sub par. Still really don't give much thought behind Ichabob And I despite owning it.

I was absolutely floored on my rediscovery of Giant Steps. I have played other albums by them moreso recently and haven't played it for a while. It really is their White Album and should be the one that they will be remembered for. So many things ideas and sounds are put on to this record. Truly a masterpiece that many fans say they never were able to touch again. Have loved reading what Martin and the fans have written about this album on the web site. There are some hard-core fans of this very album, astonished to hear that. Some of what Martin wrote about the sound of this album: "I just listened to the album now in headphones for the first time in an age and I can hear Surf's Up/Smile/Pet Sounds, Spiritualized, Suede (well, Bernard Butler), The Flaming Lips, London Calling by The Clash (I think all the dub on the album sounds like the people who made it hadn't heard an awful lot of dub music) Moose, Dinosaur Jr, Sugar, MBV, Forever Changes by Love (of course), Goffin/King, New Order, The Beatles, Spacemen 3, Gershwin. It all sounds very old fashioned to me but that's from a distance of ten years, I could never make an album like that now. I heard Os Mutantes about seven years later and realised that we hadn't done anything that hadn't been done before. I wanted everything to sound like a bootleg, like the Smile CD that we listened to so much in those days, with mistakes and talking and all that stuff but I don't hear as much of that as I thought I would." http://www.booradleys.co.uk/giantsteps

Next came Wake Up! which I like to call their Beatles album. A stage they needed to go through at the time. It's the least sounding Boo Radleys album that they made but was surprised because I enjoyed more then I remember. Better than most Britpop albums around this same time but give me my band back.

I wanted loud, I wanted aggression, I wanted creativity, I wanted C'mon Kids. The record buying public hated this album after the last one. I couldn't be any happier; this is what the Boo Radleys were all about. Maybe throwing in too may ideas on each song but a song like "Bullfrog Green" takes my breath away.

There are times in your life where certain albums mean so much to you that it's impossible to put into words. Kingsize is one of those albums for me as it came along at the perfect time. It seemed to speak for me and not just about me. There is no other album I have played more since its release in late 1998. One flaw is that "Free Huey" doesn't work and I skip it each and every time I play this album. I guess "The Future Is Now" is sort of out of place as well and would be a much stronger closing with "Song From the Blueroom" but I don't mind at all. About a year later I bought the U.S. version of this album for one extra song called "Put Your Arms Around Me and Tell Me Everything's Going To Be OK." It seemed to be the perfect song to close their story. This album is the most misunderstood album of theirs but it's by far the most rewarding.

So yeah classic, everything and that is not going into some of the best B-sides of any band. Hope to see remastered versions of these albums some day along with the B-sides story that needs to be told. Band of the 90's and happy the quit when they did and didn't keep putting out stuff past their peak like it seems SFA have done.

"Just a simple song but God I love it. Embedded in me, so bittersweet. I'm addicted, I'm a melancholic. Sing it again. I'll be your friend forever."

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

I hate myself for saying that - because I used to love them - but I can't listen to them anymore because of the dullness of the vocals.

snowballing (snowballing), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
I've just bought Giant Steps, and it's great (the Butterfly McQueen-Rodney King section is joyous beyond compare), but my favourite song on it is one I've never even seen mentioned in any review of the album (or on this thread): the quite unbelievable 'I've Lost The Reason'. The last minute or so, the distorted vocals, the superb lyrics, the DETUNED OPERA SINGER that pops up for about a second during the carnage...whoa yeah!

Next stop...probably EAF.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Funny, I've just bought Giant Steps too, and it's freaking amazing.

less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

this is the sound that defined, to my mind, the term indie in the 90's. this is the best and worst that can be said of giant steps. martin carr aspired towards brian wilson but ended up sounding like the wedding present with one extra effects pedal. a bit tragic as far as sonic advancement is concerned, but i admire the ambition,; however unrealised.

edger stewert (edger), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

that's silly.

keyth (keyth), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

i agree.

edger stewert (edger), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

I also disabree.

Hey, I like that mistype!

Anyway, as I said on the "celebration" web page, I packed it after Giant Steps as it did everything I wanted to do musically. I note it did not inspire many bands to be as musically adventurous. How could you 'copy' being individual? Who could follow it?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

the Butterfly McQueen-Rodney King section is joyous beyond compare

OTMFM. Just this little section was enough to affect me enough as a teen to change the way I appreciate music for ever. You have no idea how much I love Giant Steps. As for "I've Lost The Reason", I always saw it as part of a triumverate of songs along with "Best Lose The Fear" and "Take The Time Around". For some reason these sound like they were written to sit next to each other.

It took me a long time to realise how sad and depressed the lyrics were to "Wake Up!" and I'm only just getting round to this fact with "Giant Steps". I guess GS is a concept album in nostalgia, uncertainty, being 23 - that stage between being a young adult and an adult when people won't take you seriously despite all your greatest ambitions. "Wake Up!" is a concept album about being 25 and being granted your independence and having the world as your oyster, but still feeling somehow unsatisfied with this pseudo-utopian setting, revealing itself to actually be a bigger burden than you had expected. And of course it's all set to the most wonderful offbeat psychedelic pop music.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

Haberdager - Everything's Alright Forever, despite being a fine album is very different to Giant Steps. Don't get me wrong, it's a great little shoegaze gem, but it only goes to show just how great Carr's tunesmithery and ambition had come along between the two albums. Great leaps and bounds indeed.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hargh! I'm so pleased people on ILX are discovering and enjoying this album even today. I was worried it would have aged or be slated for being naive or pretentious (as often it is) but I am really glad you guys liked it. I'm listening to it now just to celebrate. Really, I don't think anyone's done anything with the kind of pop ambition and scope since Giant Steps. Not the Beta Band nor Beck nor Animal Collective, they've all come close but never so beautifully blended, referenced and genre-hopped so effortlessly and at the same time written such heartfelt words as here and on Wake Up!.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

It's such a wonder I never tried to get any of my IRL friends into Giant Steps. I guess it's because I know their instant reaction would be "Wake Up Boo! Oh noes!" which if I didn't know better would be my reaction too. I think next time I have them over, I'm going to put this on and turn it up loud!!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

re: 'I've Lost The Reason'

Woops, my mistake, I thought you were talking about "If You Want It, Take It". No this song is a goodie and it kinda points towards how they'd sound on "Wake Up".

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Baby's gone but there'll be more I'm only 23"

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'd say so.

Mark G, Saturday, 16 May 2026 12:54 (three weeks ago)

I was listening to Belvidere today and going into raptures over Sice's voice. He's an amazing singer.

TheNuNuNu, Monday, 18 May 2026 06:40 (three weeks ago)

Oh, I didn't know that
Didn't know y'all were hurting'

Onwards & upwards!
Forwards, not backwards!

I love the Boos. I love Martin!

TheNuNuNu, Monday, 25 May 2026 14:07 (two weeks ago)

I had no idea what was awaiting me when I first heard Lazarus eleven months ago.

TheNuNuNu, Monday, 25 May 2026 14:10 (two weeks ago)

They're the best band from the 90s! I love watching you fall in love with them TheNuNuNu, proves I'm not crazy when I make a statement like I just did. If people go on the ride the rewards are immense.

What are your thoughts on those first three EPs? My personal starting point, also know as Learning to Walk. Those songs, outside the covers, are so, so, so good. And that was the start? Shakes my head at how brilliant those songs actually are.

Bee OK, Monday, 25 May 2026 22:58 (two weeks ago)

Ichabod and I is technically the beginning but I don't count it. Those three EPs are shoegaze bliss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyqOWLNHrHo

Bee OK, Monday, 25 May 2026 23:11 (two weeks ago)

Haven't tried them yet! I'm only just branching out to C'mon Kids and Kingsize after long indulgence in Wake Up. I wasn't sure whether it's worth exploring backwards from Giant Steps too -- now I know.

TheNuNuNu, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 08:20 (two weeks ago)

Foster's Van is my fave from the early EPs

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 May 2026 09:09 (two weeks ago)

TheNuNuNu - the stuff from before Giant Steps is quite a different vibe, more noisy, hazy shoegazey stuff. But it's well worth your time.

The EPs collected on Learning To Walk are all good, if in thrall to MBV's Loveless (which is not a bad thing). There are some moments of brilliance throughout.

Then what I think of as their "proper" debut (as Bee OK says, the lesser-heard Ichabod & I is a non-essential curio), Everything's Alright Forever, sees them dipping their toes into more sonically adventurous territory with songs like Spaniard and Does This Hurt.

It's quite a career arc. To hear the LTW stuff next to Kingsize's in-the-box pop you'd think itt was two totally different bands

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 May 2026 09:16 (two weeks ago)

I just assumed you would have already heard Everything's Alright Forever . You need to go back first, I think C'mon Kids only makes sense when hearing what came before.

Also Everything's Alright Forever is a masterpiece. Much better debut than the likes of Moose, Catherine Wheel or even Slowdive. It hasn't been polled yet and have it in my queue and will be done within a years time, unless someone else does it first. I fucking love this band with all of my heart.

Dog latin is OTM too.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 22:55 (two weeks ago)

We should totally poll EIAF. I've neglected it of late and I wouldn't mind revisiting. Although I'm pretty sure I'll be voting for Spaniard

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 May 2026 23:46 (two weeks ago)

"does this hurt" rules, the breakbeat, the feedback, the reverbed vocals, the guitar roar yaow!

brimstead, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 23:56 (two weeks ago)

It'll be a perfect excuse for me to get into it!

C'mon Kids sounds wonderful even without context, but I'm all for extra context that'll make it sound even better.

TheNuNuNu, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 23:57 (two weeks ago)

As much as I really love this band I also overlook EAF even though I know everything on it is excellent. The poll would be a good reason to revisit.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 27 May 2026 00:18 (one week ago)

Listening to Almost Nearly There followed by To a Galaxy Far, Far Away and thinking how these guys are basically my dream band... Big Blood, Happy End, the Boo Radleys -- my favorite genre of music is psychedelic folk-rock, and these groups are *exactly* how I want my psychedelic folk-rock to sound.

And Martin writes with his heart wide open! Alongside Giant Steps, And Tomorrow the World, and Wake Up on repeat, I've been blissing out to The Canton Hours, Martin's "oh never mind, I'm not actually going to finish this album" collection from last year. The arrangements are sometimes brilliant and sometimes on the dinky side, but either way, the songs are awesome.

TheNuNuNu, Wednesday, 27 May 2026 14:32 (one week ago)

The EPs collected on Learning To Walk are all good, if in thrall to MBV's Loveless

Hmmm, maybe Glider, etc? Even Everything's Alright Forever was apparently in the can before Loveless's late '91 release.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 May 2026 01:39 (one week ago)

I believe Martin had heard an early version of "Loveless" which inspired "Losing it (Song for Abigail)"

Mark G, Thursday, 28 May 2026 07:22 (one week ago)

ah interesting. some real hot “glide guitar” on that song for sure

brimstead, Thursday, 28 May 2026 07:40 (one week ago)

Hmmm, maybe Glider, etc? Even Everything's Alright Forever was apparently in the can before Loveless's late '91 release.

― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 May 2026 02:39 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Really good point. I'm getting my timelines mixed up possibly because early Boos is often described as "second wave" shoegaze.

But I was listening to EAF in the car yesterday and not only was it the perfect soundtrack for a hot hot day (it is inseparably a summer album for me), but I was struck at how much they'd developed their own sound by this point, away from their peers. There are specific effects and techniques, especially on the guitar, that feel peculiar to the Boo Radleys even at that stage in their careers.

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Thursday, 28 May 2026 08:59 (one week ago)

Oh yeah, the UK/Euro heatwave keeps making the news here! Suddenly compelled to get my olde CD out for a... winter airing here.

Certainly didn't occur to me that they might have had inside intel, at least by EAF. *blushes* I guess they were suddenly on the same label, even, by mid-'91.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 May 2026 10:32 (one week ago)

the lesser-heard Ichabod & I is a non-essential curio....The EPs collected on Learning To Walk are all good, if in thrall to MBV's Loveless (which is not a bad thing). There are some moments of brilliance throughout.

I suspect I'll be repeating things I've already said on this or other threads, but I can't be bothered to check. I don't think early Boo Radleys stuff sounds like MBV. I seem to remember them saying their big influence at the time was Dinosaur Jr? Ichabod & I was the first thing of theirs I bought and I liked it enough at the time (well, some of it - there's a few duds on there), but it's kind of impossible to listen to alongside anything else they've done because the production is so cheap/lo-fi/bad. It sounded good enough on a walkman on the way to college in 1990, but isn't great with today's technology. The two EPs from 1991 were a definite step up and I'd say that there are several *essential* tracks: Naomi, Everybird, Sometime Soon She Said, Foster's Van. If I'd had to describe their sound in 1991, I'd have said they were the most aggressively noisy band I had come across - layer upon layer of extreme distortion. I do remember thinking that Everything's Alright Forever sounded more MBV influenced, but I've just had a quick review of it now and the influence is much less than I'd remembered. What's more noticeable is the increased use of acoustic guitar. I think EAF would have been even better if they'd moved further away from the 'every song must have really loud bits' mentality.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 29 May 2026 20:20 (one week ago)

Just remembered what I meant to say: I liked Icahabod *because* it was the first thing of theirs I had heard, but they unambiguously got better after that. If you are working backward from Giant Steps, it's unlikely you'd appreciate it - it sounds quite cheap and nasty by comparison.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 29 May 2026 20:30 (one week ago)

Really wish someone would do the EAF poll, I can’t as you'll see next week. Love everyone's stories that they're sharing.

This is a ridiculous band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-XB5gKmk-8

Bee OK, Friday, 29 May 2026 22:30 (one week ago)

Here we go: The Boo Radleys - Everything's Alright Forever (Poll)

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Friday, 29 May 2026 22:45 (one week ago)


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