The Great Escape? Is it really that bad...?

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It was classic. I liked this album very much, and though I don't listen that much now, I still think it's underrated. Maybe because it was my first Blur record, but at the time I found it absolutely the kind of music I want to hear.
'Stereotypes', 'Best Days', 'Fade Away' are huge classics. And 'Yuko and Hiro' is one of the best album closers EVAH.

zeus, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

i thought it was patronizing rubbish. 'MLIR' had elements of that but it felt more, well, authentic. this felt like going through the motions, and it destroyed the band. 'blur' had a few good tracks.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

Great, now I have "He Thought Of Cars" stuck in my head.

Smug and Pious (kate), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

Even as a 15 year old I was conscious that a lot of the lyrics on this album were retarded as fuck but was hypnotised by Damon's delivery into thinking they were also really clever. I didn't properly know what prozac was at the time but I certainly knew it was a dumb thing to sing about. There were some really really lazy bits of lyricism on this album whereas I think Parklife held a lot more water. Mr Robinson's Quango, Ernold Same are both really bad parodiez of Blur parodying Pink Floyd.
That said, I'd definitely keep Best Days as one of their better songs and Country House has some great harmonies which at the time made me wonder if Blur were actually geniuses.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I don't completely hate 'Country House' - the verses are OK. But the chorus winds me up and the 'blow me out' bit makes me want to punch him. And they were my favourite group at the time.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

"Blur" however is one of their very best albums. Not too many things (other than the horrible "Song 2") that sounds too patronising or pretentious and for once it's Blur sounding genuine for a change (or at least TRYING to sound genuine, others might argue they were just trying to rip off the American alternative scene). Out of all their albums I'd say it's aged the best.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

I always liked that one best, and still do.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

genuine is overrated.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

'song 2' is great. it is what it is, but that's ok. 'country house' has taken a decade to grow on me, but it has. the 'blow me out' bits are the best. it's hella complex, songwritingwise, too.

genuine is sometimes overrated, sometimes underrated. in the ironic mid-nineties, it was underrated.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

Parklife is the best. I thought everyone just knew that. What is 'genuine'?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

'genuine' is something felt by the writer/performer is successfully translated into sounds which translate into feeling for the listener, or something. or coversely, ungenuine is when as a listener you can sense the singer is going through the motions, that the 'observations' are made up, written in depseration. eg the godawful ken livingstone one.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

the 'blow me out' bits are the best. it's hella complex, songwritingwise, too.

I concur on this.

And yeh, Parklife really is the best one really.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)

If only because it's Blur being Blur whereas "Blur" (the LP) is Blur doing a very good Pavement impression.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

'genuine' is something felt by the writer/performer is successfully translated into sounds which translate into feeling for the listener, or something. or coversely, ungenuine is when as a listener you can sense the singer is going through the motions, that the 'observations' are made up, written in depseration. eg the godawful ken livingstone one.

Ha! I thought maybe it was a b-side I didn't have.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

to be honest, when I heared that Ken one, I heared it as Damon saying "ach, I'm not writing any more of these type songs!"

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

"something felt by the writer/performer" is also overrated.

I actually witnessed Albarn recording the intro to that song. he was standing in front of JA Spirits in Goldhawk Road next door to the Townhouse Studios hammering the door and yelling. This was about 7:15 on a Tuesday morning. I passed him by and said for shame alkie Albarn etc. but he explained it was only sound effects for the album. I still think that Peter Wyngarde would have narrated it better than "Red" Ken, mind you ("Neville Thumbcatch" etc.).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

i don't like songs when i think the performer(s) are not feeling it, me.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

Dean Friedman be king of pop!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

i mean, it's not the be-all and end-all, but on 'TGE' damon's "heart's not in it", which makes listening a bit on an empty experience (also the production is terrible).

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

Barry is right in saying that Great Escape is Parklife mark 2 though. Just for fun, I'm going to play Blur pairs:

1. Girls And Boys - Entertain Me
2. Tracy Jacks - Mr Robinson's Quango
3. End Of A Century - He Thought of Cars
4. Parklife -
5. Bank Holiday - Globe Alone
6. Debt Collector - Ernold Same
7. Far Out - Fade Away
8. To The End - The Universal
9. London Loves - Top Man
10. Trouble In The Message Centre - It Could Be You
11. Clover Over Dover - Best Days
12. Magic America - Country House
13. Jubilee - Dan Abnormal
14. This Is A Low - Yuko And Hiro

Fair enough?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Oh he's feeling it alright. Listen to the passion: "Dan went to his local burger bar!" (xpost)

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

sorry, Parklife I would associate with Stereotypes

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

I always thought Modern Life Is Rubbish was the best one of the trilogy.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

Dog Latin - Trouble in the message centre = Mr Robinson's Quango

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

{I don't mean Dog Latin minus Trouble... = Mr Robinson's Quano}
{that would be odd}

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

In a lot of ways the lyrics to Great Escape could have been written by a British Frank Zappa, the way he sneers at a load of stereotypes who don't actually exist anyway.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

(Number 10 ! presumably that was the two tracks left over after the others were paired off!)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

TeH Hobb - how come?

I always remember thinking that song was dumb from the opening line "Oh Mr Robinson... And his quango..." etc... It pissed me off because this line was basically the title of the song and I found it so devoid of imagination that as a 15 year old I could have written better lyrics. Also the line about herpes. And "ooooh ah'm a naughtay boyyy/Owwww ah'm a naughtay naughtay boooy" is SO annoying.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

That's the best bit of the whole album. Oooooh I'm a naughty boy!

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you have to be in the mood.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

Really you had to be there.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

didn't Graham write Best Days? I think in the latter days at least, Graham managed to save a lot of their albums. Coffee and TV remains a firm favourite amongst the world of rubbish that is 13.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

Really you had to be Damon.

xpost blummin TIMING!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

Not really the right thread, but could someone tell me this:

What are the lyrics to the backing vocals during the last verse of Clover Over Dover?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

I always loved "Yuko and Hiro" better than anything else because it was Damon being properly sad and bereft without being all bloody heroic about it ("To The End", "This Is A Low" etc), it was a lovely plastic-y synthetic shrill thing that (musically) seems to be consciously playing into the hands of everyone who decided that it was an infuriatingly 'artificial' record. I wanted them to go off and do lots more things like this. They didn't. Although, "Dare", maybe?

Alex in Sheffield (Alex in Doncaster), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

didn't Graham write Best Days? I think in the latter days at least, Graham managed to save a lot of their albums. Coffee and TV remains a firm favourite amongst the world of rubbish that is 13.

Coffee and Tv is great, but 'world of rubbish' is a bit harsh. Most of the songs on there are great, they just go on twice as long as they ought to.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

yeh, that's fair enough - i guess i also like Battle and Mellow Song, but tracks like Tender and No Distance Left To Run are in retrospect appauling self-polluting buckets of semen dripping down the Blur catalogue and did Damon absolutely no favours in rendering him as a hand-pump in the eyes of the general public (who still bought these songs in their droves). Far too many generic Blur!Punk!Attempts! on there too as well as the loping drudgery of 1992 and Swamp Song.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

xpost

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

oops sorry, not xpost.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

i never really listened to '13'. or side 2 of 'blur'. or 'the great escape'.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

side 2 of "blur" is wonderful.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

If you don't believe me, pretend it's side two of "Low"

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

hahaha, i don't like side 2 of 'low'!!!

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

er, plus 'blur' came out twenty years after 'low'. i think this is important.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE SIDE 2 OF LOW IS NO FRIEND OF MINE

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

OH NOES

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Side two of Blur is ace! It's just Blur being as far away from Blur as possible - there's even a song about them LIKING America (a bit).

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

which is blur doing 'more songs about buildings and food', really.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

"Look Inside America" vs "The Big Country"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

Just went and had a listen to the album for probably the 1st time in 8-9 years, and 'Yuko & Hiro' is properly stunning! I don't remember it being that good...

Citypark, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Topman made a brief return in 2003, funnily enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z6gYHf17wk

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 2 September 2025 22:56 (nine months ago)

Oh yeah, that whistling synth was completely the sort of thing that was getting up noses at the time, I'm sure

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 2 September 2025 22:57 (nine months ago)

I don't really have a problem with the choice of singles - they're all well-known, they did the job, they're major singalongs live.

One Born Every Minute is probably my least fav Blur song, even more than something like Alex's Song. And yet the '96 singles have maybe their best run of B-sides, alongside the MLIR ones. They hadn't been recorded in '95 and obv the pathway to the s/t begins there etc etc

you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 2 September 2025 23:33 (nine months ago)

Definitely, Ludwig being the wacky outlier. It almost feels like the other Stereotypes and Charmless Man b sides belong on a deluxe of the s/t album instead

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 03:15 (nine months ago)

I won this CD off the radio or in a record store, can't remember.

There are a couple of really bad ones too of course but "Yuko and Hiro" is probably my favourite Blur song.
― everything, Monday, 12 September 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with this!

the way out of (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 03:47 (nine months ago)

It totally has a very identifiable conventional chorus that they repeat several times btw
did you ever think of trying to understand what people are getting at when they have a different take on something or do you always treat them as idiot bullshitters who need to be corrected?

Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 04:45 (nine months ago)

Haha, I love One Born Every Minute. Along with songs like Til The Cows Come Home and Theme From An Imaginary Film, it's 100% leaning into whatever aspect Blur were being mocked for at that stage of their career. "Oh well see how we've grown"... the chorus gets stuck in my head a lot.

"Stereotypes" doesn't work for me. An unmemorable mid-tempo plodder, like a less exciting 'London Loves' that opens with this grating guitar and synth fanfare. The lyrics don't cohere properly - in what way are these imaginary, hastily-painted wife-swappers "stereotypes"? And it kicks off an album where the running theme seems to be "Damon is existentially depressed, but it could be worse because at least he's not like these poor sods".

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 09:09 (nine months ago)

In fact I have a long and storied tradition of skipping the first song on most Blur albums (except MLIR, Think Tank and the S/T)

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 09:17 (nine months ago)

"Doesn't really have a chorus" is a bit of an unusual description of a song with a repeated identifiable chorus but I'm sorry if I've touched a nerve there

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 09:40 (nine months ago)

The "really" is doing some lifting there. Of course it technically has a "chorus", but I agree with CaAL that compared to pretty much all their imperial-era singles, it's more of a drone than a singalong.

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 09:47 (nine months ago)

So it doesn't have a good chorus then I suppose

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 09:49 (nine months ago)

I remember a rave review for this album on Melody Maker at the time comparing it to ABC's "The Lexicon of Love"

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 10:24 (nine months ago)

I was 17 when this came out - I don't recall anyone putting it on the stereo at a friend's house, although "Different Class" and (er) "Garbage" were in regular rotation. IIRC, at this point, it felt (as a teenager like Blur were a bit tired and for the normies only.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 10:35 (nine months ago)

I don't think I've listened to this since I posted the first reply. Can't imagine me bothering now either tbh.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 12:08 (nine months ago)

xp there was definitely a week at school around this time when Blur suddenly tipped from being a popular band for us indie kids into something "For the normies". Girls in my class who'd only ever really cared about boybands were wearing necklaces with "DAMON" written on them in a heart, etc. And the band themselves seemed to embrace their new mainstream attention. Wasn't there a quote where Damon literally said he was god's gift to women? And Alex telling a joke: "What is 30ft long and goes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!? - the front row at a Blur gig"

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 12:41 (nine months ago)

I used to think Ludwig was like a 2x speed knees-up remake of the Seymour track Shimmer. Having now just played Shimmer at 2x speed 'cus why not .. well there are some similarities at least.

TGE is the only 90s album not to open with its lead single (although as stated by PaulTMA above Stereotypes was the initial lead choice).

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 12:44 (nine months ago)

"What is 30ft long and goes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!? "

The version I heard was much ruder than this! Perhaps that laddishness should be left in the 90s, but it was a now-unacceptable dig on the extremely young pre-puberty age of their new fanbase.

It's weird because up until last year, this was the last time that I stayed up all night to buy a new album the moment it was released. (I might even have gone to a signing IIRC.) At the time, I remember thinking 'ooh this is new and grownup and mature' but I think I was maybe being a big naive and projecting 'interesting' into stuff that just wasn't actually working.

I will still rep for He Thought of Cars, Fade Away and Entertain Me! (That last one has one of the best basslines of Alex's career.) But these days I have come to accept that for me, Blur were a time and place. And I'm not a Blur fan any more.

Etherwave, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 12:53 (nine months ago)

Yeah, agree re: "time and a place". I think of myself as someone who quite liked Blur -- I saw them live twice! -- but looking at their album tracklists (especially from TGE onwards), mostly I'm thinking "hmm, this is quite a lot of annoying songs".

When I'm in a Blur mood, I just play "Clover Over Dover" and "End of the Century" and that's that. I played 13 to death at university, and even with that, looking back there's nothing there I want to hear again.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 13:01 (nine months ago)

Of course there is nothing wrong with growing out of a band, nor is it the band's "fault"

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 13:03 (nine months ago)

"Stereotypes" doesn't work for me. An unmemorable mid-tempo plodder, like a less exciting 'London Loves' that opens with this grating guitar and synth fanfare. The lyrics don't cohere properly - in what way are these imaginary, hastily-painted wife-swappers "stereotypes"? And it kicks off an album where the running theme seems to be "Damon is existentially depressed, but it could be worse because at least he's not like these poor sods".

― Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 09:09 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

My take on this was Damon noting to himself that he really should stop writing these "vignettes" about people he doesn't know really and resorting to stereotypes to write songs.

And, that's exactly what he did do - not write Charmless Man, Ernold Same, or things like this again, past this album and singles....

Mark G, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 13:13 (nine months ago)

The Great Escape's depressing-cheery-More-Specials-muzak sound (especially Yuko & Hiro) later resurfaced on Gorillaz' To Binge which, like a good chunk of TGE, is among the best thing's he's ever done imo

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 13:17 (nine months ago)

Xp yeah I agree. Although what a funny way to start your album in which pretty much every song is "Look at the little people with their sad little lives"

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 13:26 (nine months ago)

Its the one great escape on the album. All downhill from there.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 13:31 (nine months ago)

I quite enjoy 'Stereotypes.' If you were outside the UK and stumbled upon this album, like I did, the bitter lyrics didn't really register, I guess?

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 4 September 2025 14:11 (nine months ago)


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