i often love the intentional triteness of barney's lyrics, i think there's a strong sense of irony there ... he knows what he's saying is naive but here's a man who has obviously been through enough to know what's what. that naivete for me actually gives his lyrics a hard edge ... it's unusual. i think part of it may be also a conscious choice to force himself to not continually tread the path of his lyrical predecessor.
― fields of salmon, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
This Movement apologist is aboot to obtain a region-free DVD player. Is the New Order Live DVD worth it?
Tks in adv.
― Andy K, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― nelly, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Vinnie, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I agree that _Substance_ is really the starting point of choice (even now I'm getting the shivers thinking of "Everything's Gone Green" and that miraculous opening that veers off in a completely different direction six bars into the song).
I also wonder why there wasn't ever a "Substance II": let's see, "Touched by the Hand of God," "Fine Time," "Round & Round," "Run 2," "World in Motion," "Regret," "Ruined In A Day," "World," "Spooky," throw in "Crystal" and the single version of "1963" and maybe even "Blue Monday '88" and you'd have something way better than that dodgy best-of. Of course, 20 years from now when Rhino puts it together they'll probably add "Getting Away With It" and "Tasty Fish" and I won't mind a bit.
― Douglas, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Clarke B., Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― PreviousSteve, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dr. C, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Alan Trewartha, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Marty, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But on the whole you are right, not as influential as people write/say. esp as the hi-nrg stuff that BM rips off was already out there, just less popular.
― Tom, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Most prescient of Robert, then, since that came out two, three years previously to "Blue Monday." Further proof of the Cure's genius!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Also: let it be noted that The Cure (who I nonetheless love) were anything but forerunners to NO. In fact The Cure's doom throughout the eighties was to always be about two years behind the Joy Division/New Order axis.
― Tim, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Tim, could you expand on this...
YES THEY DO. Give in, Dan, give in. 1985 was the switchoff year. "Sunrise" -- Cure tribute. "Inbetween Days" -- New Order tribute. HA!
― DG, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― MarkH, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Alan Trewartha, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― flowersdie, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
No it's not, because the vocal melody and the chorus are completely different.
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It's actually nice that I've managed to keep it fresh for all these years -- but where will it end? There must be a shelf life to this technique if I'm to continue listening to them, even occasionally. And are they truly one of my favorites if I never listen to them? Does New Order get old/the magic wear off, etc?
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Neil FC (Neil FC), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link
My boyfriend: "Is this the gays?"Me: "What? It's New Order."My boyfriend: "Gay."
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost - he listens to Dee-Lite.
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Said comps are a bit eh -- the box set plus a couple of CDRs from an ILMer are far more cool.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I need the boxed set! I touch it every time I go to the record store. Have the JD one, though.
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
NO was my all time favorite band 2 years ago.. I still think that they still are on paper, but I think I played them out during my pre and post 'get ready' mania. havent been listening to them much as of late.
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not saying New Order aren't highly worthy or anything. Just wondering.
― martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link
I dunno, I just object strenuously to the notion that bitching about misogyny in any lyrics, hip-hop or otherwise, is somehow misguided - whereas the case against bitching about New Order lyrics is rather clearer: they obviously don't mean anything, you can just ignore them, even if you don't ignore them they're not likely to do much, textually
I do understand that this is a pointless argument, don't get me wrong, I just hate it when people wanna equate saying nothing in particular with saying (say) that it's cool to treat women like shit
x-post Alfred you'll go a long ways to find a more devoted formalist than me, but to conflate/equate form & content doesn't relieve content of its various burdens
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Fine. I retract my analogy. I was playing devil's advocate, in part because it's so tiresome to read bitching about NO's lyrics in 2006.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 19 March 2006 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyone still have the Japanese version of Krafty?
― roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:58 (sixteen years ago) link
They always sound a little unfamiliar, like I'm listening to them for the first time. I think I've put off listening to them in the past because I want to preserve the newness of the songs and the feeling they give me (when I hear them, my stomach knots up -- I don't want that to go away).
these two sentences are kind of perfect. i am going to use them as my excuse for never remembering what any individual new order song is called.
― king lame (c sharp major), Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
ridiculous: REPUBLIC, MOVEMENT
Cripes, did I really suggest that Movement is ridiculous? I should be flogged for that.
― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Milan show Ned mentions ^^^ is crazy. Some aggressive presentations of Movement songs - Lots of echoes, kinda dubby in parts. One of my favorite live bootlegs ever.
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Haha, Alex, this is the second time you've apologized for that on this thread!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Movement is great, Republic is even better.
No, I'm serious.
― ilxor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
One forgets these things as one ages, alas.
― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 24 January 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
A google image search for "new order" "gay sperm" is pretty OTM.
― David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Friday, 17 September 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Two Lone Swordsmen named one of their tracks after that famous bass cabinet phrase.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 17 September 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
what the hell: New Order gigs this Fall, w/o Peter Hook?!?http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20110905_neworder.shtml
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 5 September 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
well, for a good cause, so that's nice, and nice the gillian is back too.
― akm, Monday, 5 September 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
playing right here in Brussels - so might be my chance to finally see these guys live.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 5 September 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2011/10/10/new-order-peter-saville-posters-paris-brussels/
― piscesx, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
The reunited New Order — Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert — also released a video statement promoting the sale of the posters, which you can watch below. They do not, however, respond to their surly former bandmate Peter Hook’s recent accusations that they’re actually reuniting for profit and have a future U.S. tour in the works.
...because of course Hook's tour is about charity.
Anyway I presume Spencer has already ordered both of those posters.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
You know, it's odd that the last couple of chapters of New Order live have largely been Gillian-free. And then Hook is out and suddenly Gillian reappears. Hmmm....
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
Surely they've been seen in the same room before...
― Franz Kappa (S-), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
I think I meant maybe more that they really didn't like each other?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
Because of course Hook has claimed that he's only playing two gigs and they're just for charity, and not openly said at every stage that he's doing it to earn a living.
― front-man for British post-punk turned pop chart-topper’s, Scritti Polliti (sic), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
Stephen Morris ranks the New Order discography...
http://noisey.vice.com/blog/new-order-rank-your-records
― Turrican, Friday, 4 September 2015 03:23 (eight years ago) link
Isolation pic.twitter.com/PJlcHVawvJ— Paul Quarantine Duane (@MrPaulDuane) May 19, 2020
― calzino, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 10:53 (four years ago) link
answer to thread q is clearly “yes”
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link