― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 5 September 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 5 September 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― mentalist (mentalist), Monday, 6 September 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 6 September 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)
James Young's Nico book -- how many different titles has this book been published under? -- variously known as "The End" and "The Last of the Bohemians" -- is yet another tragically hysterical firsthand account.
Ingeborg Schober's Amon Düül II bio, "Tanz der Lemminge" is really underrated. Nice interviews, some incredible anecdotes, and she wonderfully evokes all the socio-political goings-on of late 60s/early 70s West Germany. You'll have to know German in order to read this one, as it's never been translated into English, as far as I know. (I could be wrong.)
Worst bio? The Jim DeRogatis Lester Bangs book is fucking terrible. (Like anything else you'd expect from the pen of Jim DeRo.) Richard Meltzer's chapter on Bangs in "A Whore Just Like the Rest" is far more insightful, more cutting, more affectionate even.
I find the John Szwed Sun Ra bio to be tedious and boringly pedantic. Of course this is what you expect from an uptight academic. There's no humour in the writing whatsoever. Sure, there is a lot of useful info and all that, but Szwed embarrasses himself badly when he reveals himself to know fuck all about rock music. (He calls Can a "space rock" band inspired by the Arkestra. Huh?! Amon Düül II, whom he also laughingly calls "space rock", well, Szwed spells it Amon Dul, etc., etc.)
Just about everything by Diedrich Diedrichson (has any of his writing ever been translated into English?) is always good for something. Sometimes unintentionally funny, though.
Maybe this next one is both the best and the worst. A few years ago I picked up this amazing artifact for nothing at a flea market. It's a thick American magazine titled "John Lennon: 1940-1980", one of the many (certainly) quickie-cash-in "tributes" which immediately followed in the wake of Lennon's death. (This one is dated December 1980; these ghouls wasted NO time getting this piece of crap out on the shelves.) It has the absolute WORST writing I've ever read in my life. I keep it for this reason alone. It's full of mawkish, badly written smug remembrances by aging ex-hippies on the brink of yuppiedom, writing things like "I didn't listen to my beloved Beatles for a six-month period after Lennon said he was more popular than Jesus", and "'Strawberry Fields' sounded too weird to me at first. The Beatles had outdistanced us, thanks to a certain sweet smelling herb, but we caught up." Add badly reproduced color photos, more typos than you can shake a stick at, and we're talking CLASSIC.
― kjoerup, Monday, 6 September 2004 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― the todster (the todster), Monday, 6 September 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)
Hell yes.
On the unintentional comedy scale, Angie Bowie's first(?) book is right up there.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 September 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― maria b (maria b), Monday, 6 September 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)
Shakey knowledge of krautrock aside, I really dug the biography - I didn't find it too tedious, and it was certainly packed with information.
― djdee2005, Monday, 6 September 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)
But it's not just krautrock -- Szwed falters horribly whenever he attempts to say anything about Ra's influence on rock. John Szwed obviously knows nothing about the subject. I wouldn't attempt to write anything about, say, jazz from 1920-1950 or C&W from any era, because I am confident that I really wouldn't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
― kjoerup, Monday, 6 September 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― DJ Mencap0))), Monday, 6 September 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― oats (oats), Monday, 6 September 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)
I'd actually give a decent shout to the Billy Bragg one, 'Still Suitable For Miners'. It's a bit too "he's a good bloke", but readable with it.
I think the Tony Bennett one that was bought for me several years is one of the worst I've read, although I've got a Bauhaus one (Dark Entries?) which is so fawning it's incredible.
Is there a decent Scott Walker one? I've only got 'A Deep Shade Of Blue', and feel there must be a better book about Scott out there.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 6 September 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)
I can't recall him saying that much about rock music when I read it but he's really gd on jazz and relating it to developments in classical avant-garde.
I can see what you mean in respect to the dryness of the writing but the whole thing is so well researched -- he interviews as many associates/musicians as he can, and the story is so damn great and the guy is so fascinating that I found it a real quick and enjoyable read.
But anyway: what was ra's 'influence' on rock? I mean, maybe leading by an example -- as in setting up this commune of ppl to work together on improvisations and group sound; which, as far as i can tell, wz only adopted by some ppl in krautrock and maybe beefheart (but that could also be relaetd to a 60s countercultural mindset). Even his work as a whole is odd in relation to jazz too, i find.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 6 September 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, Miles Davis' autobiography is an entertaining and enlightening read. To give a little of the flavor of the book, I always think of a photo caption that read (quoting from memory) "This was our line-up at Birdland in 1949. Standing at left is Symphony Sid, another motherfucker I never could stand."
How's "Hip Priest", by the way?
sorry xpost, back to sun ra's influence on rock
― Dr Benway (dr benway), Monday, 6 September 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)
Best (individual) - Chuck Berry: The Autobiography Best (group) - Hammer Of The Gods: The Led Zeppelin Story (Steven Davis)
Worst - No One Here Gets Out Alive (Jerry Hopkins)
Hopkins' David Bowie & Jimi Hendrix biographies were just as poorly written as his Jim Morrison bio was, but at least those two were fairly compelling subjects, so the books retained some inherent interest. Never read his Elvis bio, and certainly don't intend to.
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 6 September 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 6 September 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)
I liked Shakey for the original interviews with Neil Young, but had a major problem with the author inserting himself into the narrative. It seemed to me that he wanted to sniff Neil Young's armpits and then tell him why they stank.
I call it biographer's disease (it has some resemblance to executor's disease, but that's another thread): thinking you're a genius because you're writing a book about one.
― shookout (shookout), Monday, 6 September 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Worst = the lemmy one. A terrible dissapointment. Just crass and stupid and boring.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 6 September 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 6 September 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 6 September 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 September 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 6 September 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― shookout (shookout), Monday, 6 September 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)
Fong-Torres on Gram Parsons is pretty awful. Bobbie Ann Mason on Elvis isn't too good, and Guralnick on Elvis just makes the whole thing boring.
I still like David Henderson's old Hendrix bio, too.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 6 September 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Monday, 6 September 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 6 September 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)
Revolution in the Head (Ian macdonald) awesome for the song detail if you are a beatles nut.
and for fun Fargo Rock city (biog of a mid west usa teenage metal freak and perfect summation of the hair metal years)
― dunc, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― mike a, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)
Is there a newer thread I'm missing? I read these three while on vacation and recommend them all:
Patti Smith - Just Kids (2010)Nick Kent - Apathy For The Devil: A Seventies Memoir (2010)Andrew Earles - Husker Du: The Story of the Noise-Pop Pioneers Who Launched Modern Rock (2010)
Just finished slogging through Peter Doggett's There's A Riot Going On: Revolutionaries, Rock Stars, and the Rise and Fall of the '60s (2009), which was pretty much a depressing chore. My wife wants me to read the Tina Fey book. In the meantime, what's good from this list? Apparently the Ambrose book on Iggy is crap, but the Trynka book isn't available on Kindle. Hrm. Jah Wobble - Memoirs Of A Geezer (2009)Zoe Street Howe - Typical Girls? The Story Of The Slits (2009)Tony Visconti - The Autobiography: Bowie, Bolan and the Brooklyn Boy (2007)Paul Trynka - Iggy Pop: Open Up And Bleed (2007)Joe Ambrose - Gimme Danger: The Story Of Iggy Pop (2009)Keith Richards/James Fox - Life (2010)Andrew Loog Oldham - Stoned (2000)Cherry Vanilla - Lick Me: How I Became Cherry Vanilla (2010)Legs McNeil - Cheetah Chrome: A Dead Boy's Tale (2010)Rick Wakeman - Grumpy Old Star (2009)Rick Wakeman - Further Adventures Of A Grumpy Old Star (2010)George Berger - The Story Of Crass (2009)
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 04:59 (fifteen years ago)
I guess no response cuz I didn't list these?
Sammy Hagar - Red: My Uncensored Life in Rock (2011)Steven Tyler - Does the Noise in My Head Bother You?: A Rock 'n' Roll Memoir (2011)Nikki Sixx - This Is Gonna Hurt: Music, Photography and Life Through the Distorted Lens of Nikki Sixx (2011)Vince Neil & Mike Sager - Tattoos & Tequila: To Hell and Back with One of Rock's Most Notorious Frontmen (2010)
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:50 (fifteen years ago)
Dean Wareham's memoir is pretty good.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:55 (fifteen years ago)
WORST: anything on the Grateful Dead. I'm actually a recent convert to their music, but the hero worship they inspire is pitiful.
As a recent convert myself, while I assume nothing objective has been published about them, is there anything at least not-cringeworthy?
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
The Keith Richards one starts out interesting, but quickly degenerates into, "and then I passed out here, and then I passed out here, etc." I read it back to back with an Iggy bio (not sure it's the one listed above) and it was kind of weird to see two people basically writing the same book except that one is passing out on a yaht in the Mediterranean and one is passing out in someone's living room.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:21 (fifteen years ago)
the last third of Life is pretty bad -- a lot of "i own property in connecticut, i hate mick jagger, i'm an old rich guy" kind of stuff. but there's enough in the 60s-70s to make it worthwhile.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
Oh, and The Fallen about all the ex-members of The Fall is pretty good in a few places, but really should have been a blog as there's not enough meat to make a full book...
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:24 (fifteen years ago)
Dylan's Chronicles
― Brad C., Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:27 (fifteen years ago)
Ribowsky's Spector bio is good, I think.
i read this years ago -- really excellent. there's a newer bio of spector that i think got good reviews, too.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:09 (fifteen years ago)
I have the Ribowsky bio, it's great
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:13 (fifteen years ago)
Just finished the latest Led Zep bio--it's excellent, especially if all you knew before was Hammer of the Gods
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 00:22 (fifteen years ago)
The Richards one hits his nadir when he goes off on the guy who stole his shepard's pie ingredients late in the book. I can't imagine why you would want the world knowing you are that much of a fool.
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:42 (fifteen years ago)
hits "its" nadir
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:43 (fifteen years ago)
David Keenan's England's Hidden Reverse is wonderful, as is Simon Ford's Wreckers of Civilization. Not sure if those count as biographies exactly though.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:44 (fifteen years ago)
I read Hagar's book. I thought it was really entertaining. Don't expect Shakespeare.
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:45 (fifteen years ago)
I started reading the Zeppelin one today. Every time I come across the name "Mickie Most" I want to throw that shit out the window.
― how's life, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:05 (fourteen years ago)
Just finished one that's so boring (reviewed under embargo so can't name it) that it makes me wonder if I ever want to read a single-artist bio, as opposed to a memoir, again.
― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:53 (fourteen years ago)
Smoothed: The Epic of Rob Thomas
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
Puttin' On Duritz: The Counting Crows Story
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
Okay I can't top that.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:39 (fourteen years ago)
Just recently read Buddy Guy's forthcoming When I Left Home which contains a lot of interesting stories - unfortunately, it's written in Negro dialect. I'm not joking. Half the time it reads like a transcript of an old Amos 'n' Andy routine.
― 誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
kudos tyler. That's killer.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
haha, i feel like i stole it from someone, so kudos to that person I've forgotten.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:58 (fourteen years ago)
Duff McKagan's memoir on G'N'R is pretty great!
― Poliopolice, Monday, 4 June 2012 17:56 (fourteen years ago)
RIP Johnny Rogan
I've never read any of his books, but he's contributed quite a bit to a lot of reissues I still own. Given the nature of those contributions, I get the impression he's one of the best researchers in rock history, performing the grueling, unsung work of compiling complete and accurate sessionographies and discographies while detailing every bit of minutiae that separates one mix or take from another as well as finding out why said recording was left in the vault.
― birdistheword, Friday, 12 February 2021 20:49 (five years ago)
Obituary, the Smiths anecdote is a bit surreal - I guess court proceedings for Joyce's lawsuit was open to the public.
― birdistheword, Friday, 12 February 2021 20:58 (five years ago)
I finished the first volume of the Byrds one a year or two ago. It’s a great work for reference for the reasons you give—it even covers bootlegs—but it was so exhausting in its detail that I won’t ever read it again; I’ll just dip into it when I need to check something or want to read about the period whatever LP I’m spinning came out in. Hard to believe he wrote another huge book on the solo members! I admire it a hell of a lot even if I have little desire to read pages and pages about Firefall or what various members did in the 1980s.
― blatherskite, Friday, 12 February 2021 21:01 (five years ago)
His Ray Davies biography from a few years ago is good, but he gets hung up on certain things - he keeps mentioning (in a smarmy way) how miserly Ray is, because he doesn't buy rounds at the pub or something.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 February 2021 21:12 (five years ago)
Oh, and the opening post in this thread is correct - Bebe Buell's book is the worst I've ever made myself finish. It was, however, useful as a compendium of the insulting names that Elvis Costello had for Prince.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 February 2021 21:13 (five years ago)
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― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 February 2021 21:15 (five years ago)
I once worked with a guy who was in a band with one of Ray Davies' daughters and I know for a fact that that is true!
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 12 February 2021 21:17 (five years ago)
I'm sure it's true, is it worth mentioning over and over in a biography? (I don't go to pubs.)
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 February 2021 21:18 (five years ago)
Not specifically the buying rounds in pubs bit but just him generally being a comically tight-fisted millionaire.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 12 February 2021 21:25 (five years ago)
Hard to believe he wrote another huge book on the solo members!
it's only on the members who've died!
― visiting, Friday, 12 February 2021 21:31 (five years ago)
Now that he's dead, Rogan will write biographies of the living members of the Byrds.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 February 2021 21:33 (five years ago)
That's more funny when I think about the time he ran after that mugger who robbed his girlfriend - it always struck me as an impressively chivalrous act, but one can joke that he was after a tenner she owed him.
― birdistheword, Friday, 12 February 2021 22:26 (five years ago)
Good dot-connecting!
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 February 2021 22:38 (five years ago)
I'm pretty sure Rogan underlines that connection in his book!
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 February 2021 22:45 (five years ago)
Ha, yes, just found that section.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 February 2021 22:55 (five years ago)