Krautrock Side-Projects

The Snakecharmer EP is nice leftfield disco w/ Francois K. and Arthur Russell.

if i was in 'it's a wonderful life' i would rather have david crosby than clarence as my guardian angel?

WHOAH.

david crosby is KRAUT-ROCK. just listen to 'music is love'

Agreed, though, about "Music Is Love"...

>Roedelius "Selbstportrait" albums compilations of stuff that appeared on OTHER albums, or are they comprised of tracks that can't be gotten elsewhere?

the first six volumes compile otherwise unreleased solo experiments from the Cluster/Harmonia period. my favorite is volume II (vinyl).

the first four michael rother albums are collaborations with conny plank and jaki liebezeit. so, for me, mandatory. the first one, flammende herzen sounds very much like an extension of the second and third tracks on harmonia's deluxe. second one, sterntaler, quality recycled version of first album. third album, katzenmusik, very dorky/majestic unified suite of music, resisted me on first listen until it got to 'KM10': imagine a perfect hybrid of Can and Neu!, it's this track. Jaki the human fucking metronome.

fourth album, fernwarme, less guitar more synth. albums after this one lose jaki and plank in favor of a fairlight sequencer & drum machines, they make me cringe a bit. I buy but rarely play them.

if you love Rother's tracks on Neu! 75 & Deluxe, start with Flammende Herzen and work your way forward.

the CD reissues from a few years back tack on bonus tracks from the early 90's, not worth re-buying if you've got the vinyl.

Am listening to Roedelius' "Jardin Au Fou" as I type: FAR TOO MUCH FUN!!!

Canaxis is a minimal, atmospheric early ethnicplundercollage, v. nice

Movies and On The Way to the Peak of Normal; both absolutely crucial, much more meaningful to me than Can, just get them if you don't have them

Full Circle, Phew, Les Vampyrettes 12" - fun side projects, dubby jammy, like them. Don't like Snake Charmer as much.

The East is Red and Rome Remains Rome; pop versions of Movies, very nice

Radio Wave Surfer - bafflingly bad; edited from live studio & concert tapes with liebezeit, karoli, but the editing couldn't save what were obviously lukewarm shows. survivors of sheldon ancel's improvised lyrics have wounds in common.

Occasional moments on Moving Pictures, Good Morning Story (I love the 'Vitamin C'-sampling title track of the latter). La Luna, The New Millenium and Time and Tide are collaborations with U-She. They've got moments but don't start with any of them.

Crash is a 2 disc set of live improv jams with Air Liquide's Dr. Walker; if you can weather absolutely generic berlin techno to get to Holger's gloriously fucked up live noise mixing, then it's worth getting, but I'm the only one of any of the Czukay fans I know who like this album and even I was assuming that Czukay was going to edit & structure the material a bit more for release instead of just documenting the shows largely intact. it could have been a fantastically packed single disc.

I could be outside, yes.

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I wish there were "Kraut Rock" brand Corduroy
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http://www.acuterecords.com/HowMuch.mp3

>plight & premonition

it's a quality ambient record. sets a sustained mood. the second one, 'flux and mutability', made more sense on vinyl, two seperate pieces, one a mellow saunter, the other a sound wall made of sylvian's fripp-cribbed "I am sad now" guitar tones, is good.

Great, weird album, actually. Not very Krautrock tho.

I haven't heard it, Ned. Just being "devil's advocate." :)

Michael Rother's solo albums - blah, I have to be in the right mood to listen to this stuff else it can come across as mere Teutonic Mike Oldfield fluff. The only album you really need, if you need any at all, is "Flammende Herzen" because it does everything he does on all his subsequent albums and does it better - specifically the first three tracks. His other albums are almost insultingly nice until he ditches Jaki and the guitars and starts using Fairlights and stuff then they become actively repellent.

no mistake, the Rother albums aren't weird or edgy like a lot of krautrock, they're so unselfconsciously majestic, it's silly. but they grew on me, what to do. my listening reaction can oscillate back and forth from "that's incredibly beautiful" to "that's absolutely ridiculous" without personal discomfort, which helps.

Not too much of Schmidt's solo stuff has stayed with me, though I like parts of Toy Planet. I don't like his occasional attempts at pop music, and his solo method is more about sculpted precision than chaotic & free. but there are a lot of great atmospheric moments on the Soundtracks series, most of which ended up on the 3 CD set. "Man On Fire" is amazing.

briania's right to mention Zero Set, it came up often this weekend on the Cluster thread.

I must say: I'm really digging Rother's Sternthaler right now (though I can't figure out why the two copies of the record I've found on slsk both have two cruddy tracks from 1993 on them).

It's interesting to compare what Rother was doing solo to what Dinger was doing in La Dusseldorf. The former seemed to be largely concerned with, yes, a majestic, epic scope, with very bittersweet, contemplative melodies. KD, on the other hand, was tapping more into dynamic, dramatic swells of texture and energy. Love them both, really...

Movies — Two KLASSIC singles—"Cool In the Pool" and "Persian Love"—and two so-so extended proggy experiments.

Der Osten Ist Rot and Rome Remains Rome — lots of goofy french horn and dictaphone stuff. Some works, some doesn't, but they're generally it's pretty consistent. "The Photograph Song" from the former is another genius pop tune.

After that (and beginning with some of RRR), Czukay begins employing the services of "vocalist" Sheldon Ancel, who more or less ruins everything he touches. Radio Wave Surfer, in particular, is virtually unlistenable, as this guy—who kind of sounds like he works at Radio Shack when not performing here—is on almost every track.

Dunno Moving Pictures and beyond. I like "Tom Sawyer," though.

Second thing is, did Julian Cope write some list of best Krautrock or something? I find Cope irritating so I wouldn't know.

2) Yes, and whatever you think about him personally, it's a great, great book (that has, admittedly, angered a few). I wrote about it on the Stylus blog some months back...

these are the first two proper solo albums. his tape editing skills, which were already the key to turning Can's 2-track jams into coherent albums, become the main emphasis of the music; the editor is the author, creating the music from the details of the improvisations. on Movies he's still working from tapes of Can playing, on Normal he's working with Wobble and the band S.Y.P.H. (the title track on Normal is actually the meandering side-long jam from their second album condensed into a bizarrely focused 'song' with Czukay vocals). Even though these are studio records, the most spontaneous moments have all been kept from the jams, and the presence of the mixing and the editing in the music also feel live, they feel performed. Sounds like magic.

this thread motivated me to check out Radio Wave Surfer again last night... started laughing when at the point where Sheldon starts screaming "I Ride The Freight Train of Love!!!" over and over. So bad it's actually fascinating if you're prepared. Holger's abrupt tape-edits are particularly jarring when applied to crudely recorded live material (the original sessions captured with one stereo microphone & that's it) -- listening again reminded me that several moments here have really stayed with me, but listening once every 10 years is more than enough.

Also listened to New Millenium again and there's not much on it for me beyond the first & last tracks. The pieces don't go anywhere, they don't peak. It's important to note that Holger isn't playing with live musicians anymore to generate his new material, he's just tracking synths and drum machines, the razorsharp quick edits and flitting details are still there, but the alchemy is absent.

I saw him in concert last week; turned out that it was largely just a DJ set. He added keyboards, guitars & samples over the finished studio versions of his tracks. Opened with "Biomutanten" (played at the right speed, woebot!), closed with tracks from the Phew record and "Der Osten Ist Rot"; the tracks from New Millenium came off best because they weren't the studio versions, they were wilder remixes from the multitracks (still freshly available on his hard drive I guess). Was a good show though at points the karaoke was laid on a little thick.

Milton I love your tendency to write long, rambling posts. It reminds me of myself, only I guess I haven't really ventured to show that side of myself here, yet. I could sure point you to other sites where I've done that, though.

One day I hope to be able to fully understand exactly which albums you two are talking about. It gets a little confusing sometimes when you just mention album titles without artists to go with them.

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Bimble, I think that was all Holger Czukay there. And yeah, I write for Stylus when das spirit moves me. Do either of you guys write somewhere?

I know that it used Can members, bu was Movies actually old Can tapes? Because if so, that's fascinating, esp. given that he wasn't even on the last few Can records. Still, for all the genius of the two sings, those two long tunes always left me a bit cold. Maybe I'll revisit.

yeah I don't really dig the Plank/Moebius/Mayo record that much either.

is lava the tears are going home thing? cause that wasn't too hot.

yeah, teh Lava iz Tears. i'll plan on being underwhelmed. though i had the same (low) expectations of La Pentola di Papin, based on the skimpy and dismissive verbage i've encountered, and was kinda blown away by what turned out to be some punchy, super-melodic Canterbury worship, Italo style.

i did check out that first Eulenspygel, 2. pretty sweet psychfusion, a la Embryo or Kraan. way less ropey than a lot of Stapleton's other List picks. as with Floh de Cologne, i feel like there's some satirical and political content getting lost in the translation. i totally want a t-shirt with that cover shot, so i can wear it to PETA rallies. haven't listened to Ausschuss yet. no one has much nice to say about it.

that thomas dinger record has got me seriously tempted to start checking out those 1-A dusseldorf records, though.

Anyone heard this?

my friend Martin rates it extremely highly, though. maybe I'll check it out again tonight.

Well, I've got Moebius/Plank's Rastakraut Pasta and Material on one CD and I like Material better. Unfortunately the song "Two Old Timers" still dwarfs the rest of RP, which is such a shame.

-- Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 15:00 (3 years ago) Link

I must have been insane to say such a thing. I pulled out Rastakraut Pasta tonight and it was a delight. Not stoner rock so much as stoner...um...space.

Material on the other hand...this song "Osmo-Fantor" really freaks me out because it reminds me of exactly the way the bass goes in Genesis' "Back in NYC" with Peter Gabriel does anyone know that song here? And by extension, the Jeff Buckley cover of same.

How about Holger Czukay's awesome Les Vampyrettes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_7DnNBdALg

Wolfgang Dauner's Et Cetera = best band ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVl654-UAGY

Yes! I was going to mention that Holger played bass on "Rastakraut Pasta" and I forgot. Thanks.

That Wolfgang Dauner, though, that is some deep, heavy, hippie shit. I dig it. Especially since it's 3 AM.

I am starting to get into Thomas Dinger's "Fur Mich" and it really is very good. Now I too am curious about the 1-A Dusseldorf albums. La! Neu? is such a weird project all the way around but there are definitely some keepers. The third track on "Dusseldorf" (the 40-minute one) is brilliant for like the first 15 minutes, just a straight up big jim

Finally got a copy of the Alex Wiska compilation with all of the first album (recorded at Can studio around 1973 with Jaki and Holger on drums and bass) plus some some selections from later albums. The guy's voice isn't exactly immediately appealing and the songs aren't all brill but there's plenty to like nonetheless. If you've heard the opening track Ekmek you know the rhythm section reprises (or rehearses) the most hectic bit of Bel Air (with Alex doing a sort of ersatz Turkish Battle Of Evermore thing).

Of the later stuff there's the cosmic beach jam How Half Is The Moon, and Istanbulda which is in the kraut funk post-Can vein of Damo Suzuki's Network or Dunkelziffer, I guess. Both featuring Liebezeit with Michael Karoli also wah-ing up the latter. I'm into it!

Is there anything about the recording of this in Rob Young's book? I can see it's a little bit naff in places but still surprised it's not talked about more.

I am starting to get into Thomas Dinger's "Fur Mich" and it really is very good.

I haven't really got past the track Für Dich but that's some beautiful euphoric motorik goodness IIRC.

Further notes on the Wiska thing; other songs also see J & H rifling through variations on a repertoire of rhythms familiar from Can tracks. Patella Black = Pinch, Tales Of Purple Sally does something great with what we otherwise know as Bring Me Coffee Or Tea, while Derule is rhythmically a sexier Whole Lotta Love, and How Half Is The Moon has Jaki bouncing alongside a rapid beat from what sounds like an implacable Korg Minipops.

Naturally I first gravitated to those Can backed tracks but there's also stuff like Elements which is this beautiful drumless, mostly instrumental modal jazz trip that sounds a lot like Pink Floyd's Fearless and occupies a similar horizontal headspace to say Kraftwerk's Ananas Symphonie.

I don't agree that Czukay & Liebezeit are going through a 'repertoire of rhythms' or reprising or rehearsing anything on the Alex tracks, both have a style of playing so that what they play, partly because it's so distinctive, sounds a bit like other stuff they play.

I think you might be misunderstanding what I'm saying, reading it as a criticism or taking it a bit too literally.

Especially with the first track it seems undeniable that that's a variety of thing they were playing around that time that we know as part of Bel Air. Either this recording came first or Bel Air did so of course it's either a rehearsal or reprise of that recording.

Likewise those other tracks are in other modes they had that we know better from the Can albums.

At times they are so similar that I did wonder if they were literally repurposing tapes but given they recorded to two track that seems very unlikely.

I don't think it particularly sounds like what they play on "Bel Air" though! Anyway, it's a style they'd played before this album, live, it's one of things they did.

Anyway, I think the most notable aspect of the playing on the Alex stuff is that it's much closer to how they played live - much more improvisational and unfettered, especially Czukay.

So you recognises there's a stylistic resemblance but want to nitpick for no reason I can discern. Yes it was a mode / groove they had around that time and played live. That doesn't contradict the observation unless you really think there is no relation between the two tracks. xp

I don't think there's that much tbh.