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Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

This fuckin' uptempo record and I've got to talk about a fuckin' dog dyin'...

LoneNut, Friday, 10 March 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

OK, that was one excellent excellent show.. Very different from the True/False performances from 2000, different from the Fair Use shows from 1993... but just as good as both, but very different from both. Highly planned, entertaining, and very dense... I like how this one allowed one to be able to just shut his/her eyes for a while and just hear the audio instead... they advised doing that the entire time semi-tongue-in-cheek, although the group were very entertaining to watch as they cued each other on when to do certain things and all that.

(Assuming I don't have other work priorities) I'm probably skipping Spank Rock Sat. night to see/hear this again...

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 11 March 2006 10:07 (twenty years ago)

The art exhibition was ace as well, really was. Most art exhibitions really don't do what that did for me. It really made me wish there was some way to take it with me, as did the show itself at times. I don't have a camera cell phone but last night I wished I did. I wonder if there will be any way to hear the show again later, etc.

The small David Wills installation in the back was like crumbs in front of a hungry man. My favourite part of the wall of written Wills-isms was "One thing that is very important is that you burp your Tupperware".

It did go on a bit too long I think, 3 hours, but I was also just very tired after a long workweek. Yeah I considered going again tonight too, but I've already got other plans.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Also, I'm not sure I've experienced anything quite that prescient since I saw Radiohead in 2001 at the Gorge. It was that same feeling of suddenly experiencing an important historical moment as it happens.

Another thing is that I actually got lost on the way there and ended up stopping right in front of a church a couple of blocks away that had physical features of both Christianity and those funny shaped things you see on the top of mosques. Very odd.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if there will be any way to hear the show again later, etc.

You can! This show was the debut of the "Hey, we have 'It's All In Your Head' for sale at the merch booth" show... they're selling the limited edition double-CDs for $12 each I believe. I picked one up last night. You can also order them only via negativland.com, and those are the ONLY two ways you can get this. I picked one up, but -- after seeing this show -- will probably actually listen to it a week later, just because, well, my brain is already saturated with It's All In Your Head as it is. :D

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Haha. Yeah they definitely saturated our brains that's for sure! I looked at the booth they had there but I didn't get the feeling they were selling anything, which puzzled me. I'll probably order some more of their stuff online soon anyway. I've kinda tired out of the last cassettes I ordered from them awhile back.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Also I really liked the way they were dressed. Colourful dress shirts with ties...Sometimes when they started getting musical with these electro bits, it reminded me of Kraftwerk in performance style/appearance.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Furthermore, I particularly liked the way they began the show with bits of The Beatles - "Across the Universe" was it? I can't recall exactly. A conversation about God should always begin with the Beatles as far as I'm concerned.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Also much later on there was a part where they finally did an electro sound that sounded exactly like the beginning of New Order's "Your Silent Face" - do you remember it? I was going to yell out "Your Silent Face!" but their material prevented me.

That was the first song I ever heard of New Order ever when I knew I had fallen in love with New Order.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, may Bush lick up the crap of the cows he works with.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:06 (twenty years ago)

>sounded exactly like the beginning of New Order's "Your Silent Face"

if it's the track I'm thinking of (simple 2/4 plonky stomp), that's a sample of the first track on Moebius & Renziehausen's Ersatz

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

Well that could prove to be very useful information! Thank you sir!

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

"dupaplete my Mcnothing!"

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:18 (twenty years ago)

It's "exgagonizing"

"Pump gag"

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

And you know he can't say "emanating". He can only say "enamating". I tell you that David Wills is a genius.

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Exhibit opening tonight in Minneapolis:

http://blogs.citypages.com/ctg/2006/05/art_party_negat.asp

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Negativland is doing their "It's All In Your Head FM" tour near me next month...anyone know anything about it?

Reatards Unite, Monday, 16 July 2007 00:14 (eighteen years ago)

I've seen it an it's freaking great. It will make you think, (especially if you are an atheist like me). You must go. Negativland are very dear to my heart, though I only really think about them intensely about once a year.

Bimble, Monday, 16 July 2007 00:24 (eighteen years ago)

I've heard that Mark Hosler from Negativland will do a lecture at the ZXZW festival in Holland. Which already has a killer line-up.
www.zxzw.nl

joost666, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:21 (eighteen years ago)

Bimble, I'm impressed.

Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

Spoke one of the organizers. There will also the premiere of a new Neagtivland film.

joost666, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'll unite with you, reatard. Any idea what the show will be like? I'm guessing that the shows will have a similar style to the 2005 <i>It's All in Your Head FM</i> shows, but different content, right? I listen to that live release more than almost any other live release from the last five years.

Color me excited.

Jamesy, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Saw Hosler give his lecture last night at the Knox Museum of Art. Then everybody went to Senor Taco with him. Then bowling!

today, i'm a numbers machine (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:07 (seventeen years ago)

I'm envious!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:18 (seventeen years ago)

Wish I had pics.

today, i'm a numbers machine (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:44 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

Between the return of U2 and this it's like it's their time all over again.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 March 2009 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

I filed a police report today (minor thing--car got rifled through, nothing taken it seems). The officer handed me the report number and his name etc. on a piece of paper, at the bottom of which is printed "©2001 TEN-8, INC." Naturally it made me want to hear A Big 10-8 Place. Man I love this thing (every couple of years anyway).

"The door opens automatically, and the first thing you see is the orange
carpet inside 180...and you'll see the dog juice, the horrible dog juice..."

andrew m., Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:39 (fourteen years ago)

which album/video has the Weatherman's story about fixing the playboy channel in Rossmoor?

sarahell, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:45 (fourteen years ago)

six months pass...

The half-hour of sound manipulation they did at La Luz is on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN1z58l88dU

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 05:12 (thirteen years ago)

eight months pass...

i have the guns cd single which has 2 versions which are good but i wish they would come out with a greatest cd collection.

xzanfar, Sunday, 9 June 2013 00:31 (twelve years ago)

still absolute solid gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHY9iSdoqK4

piscesx, Sunday, 9 June 2013 02:20 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

do u know how many time zones there are in the soviet union

ⓢⓗⓘⓣ (am0n), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:32 (eleven years ago)

ELEVEN

polyamanita (sleeve), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:52 (eleven years ago)

That's ridiculous. It's not even funny.

emil.y, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:57 (eleven years ago)

guns

OutdoorF on Golf (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 21:37 (eleven years ago)

six months pass...

Negativland have posted on Facebook that Ian Allen, a key early member who had to leave the band in the late eighties due to continuing health issues, has passed on after complications from surgery. Very sad news to hear -- he introduced the original group to Don Joyce, was a key force behind the design and concept of A Big 10-8 Place, pushed for the tape loop approach and more.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 11:30 (eleven years ago)

Direct link on FB

https://www.facebook.com/Negativlandland/timeline/story?ut=43&wstart=0&wend=1422777599&hash=-8355825573272387065&pagefilter=3

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 11:37 (eleven years ago)

Aw, jeez. RIP.

emil.y, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:56 (eleven years ago)

this does not seem like a band that would use Facebook.

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 17:49 (eleven years ago)

http://boingboing.net/2015/01/21/r-i-p-negativlands-ian-alle.html

Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Thursday, 22 January 2015 08:02 (eleven years ago)

six months pass...

Very, very sad news to hear -- Negativland reports that Don Joyce aka Crosley Bendix and many more, and the host of "Over the Edge," has passed on. A tremendous loss.

https://www.facebook.com/Negativlandland/posts/1098963353464741

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:40 (ten years ago)

When he and Negativland discovered their mutual love for “found” sounds, an intensely collaborative creative partnership was cemented. It continued non-stop for the ensuing decades, with Don endlessly scanning the airwaves of radio and television, along with his massive LP collection, for new material, day by day, week by week. There was often a TV and a radio on in his room simultaneously, cassette recorders always at the ready. And as an extremely shy and often quite reclusive person, radio was a perfect medium for Don. He could reach thousands of people each week without having to deal with very many actual humans, just as he preferred it. Creating art was not only Don’s full-time pursuit, it was literally his life’s work. He had made it clear to the group as recently as a few weeks ago that he was happy and satisfied with what he had been able to achieve in his life, and were he not able to continue to work, his life would feel as good as over.
Don Joyce’s singular editing style was laced with profundity and silliness in equal measure. His work was that of a dada humanist, able to wring unforgettable sentiments and statements out of material which originally spoke something entirely different. Hugely inspired by both the droll radio of Bob and Ray and the reckless free-form of the Firesign Theatre, he created a wicked language of repurposed purple prose which has inspired legions of other collage artists over the past three decades. He was the father of the form. One need only to listen to his work on “Time Zones” (on the Escape from Noise album) or “Piece of Pie” (in the No Business CD/book) to immediately tune into his unique wavelength.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:42 (ten years ago)

Fuck.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:44 (ten years ago)

RIP. "It's All In Your Head FM" was one of my highlights from the first Big Ears.

dart scar rashes (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 July 2015 19:19 (ten years ago)

Had a chance to talk a bit about him:

http://blog.sfgate.com/loaded/2015/07/23/don-joyce-radio-maverick-and-member-of-negativland-dies-at-71/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2015 00:32 (ten years ago)

good post ned

https://kpfa.org/ midnight pacific tonight - over the edge

Milton Parker, Friday, 24 July 2015 01:48 (ten years ago)

sorry for yr loss, MP

sarahell, Friday, 24 July 2015 02:59 (ten years ago)

on my drive home from work this evening I saw a man who looked a lot like Don standing on the corner of Grand & Broadway, and I got sad.

sarahell, Friday, 24 July 2015 03:01 (ten years ago)

Thanks Jon, much appreciated. Awfully kind of the band to share that out on FB.

A tribute:

https://kpfa.org/episode/the-hear-and-now-july-23-2015/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2015 16:21 (ten years ago)

Alas no!

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:36 (three years ago)

I believe I might have a spare sticker ... also I think you can buy the sticker for like $3 from their mail order site? ... mail order moved from Contra Costa County to NC in the past couple years so there may have been changes.

sarahell, Thursday, 14 July 2022 22:36 (three years ago)

back in the day I had that sticker on my Subaru, doesn't seem like such a good idea these days tho

thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 14 July 2022 23:29 (three years ago)

thanks for sticker heads up. 35 years on it shall be mine!

x post

probably not such a good idea having it on yr car in this era, but i don't drive so shall stick it elsewhere.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 July 2022 23:32 (three years ago)

one month passes...

Stoked for this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM20UEek7IY

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:14 (three years ago)

two weeks pass...

the video projections were a nice addition to the performance ... though at various points the music felt a bit anemic in comparison. It's nice to see Mark still going though. A friend told me, "they should just retire already," but sometimes there are still things you want to say/do even if you're old? There were some great parts in the set (not counting the joys of the Weatherman at the end, which was like, the "playing the hits" encore), but other parts where I was like, "uhhhhh idk what you're trying to say here? I kinda get it, but that's maybe not what I would see as the most salient aspect of what I think you are trying to say?" ... there were also a few samples that I felt like didn't really "work" for me, but they were used frequently so I felt like they were "supposed to work" but maybe it's just me. The audience seemed happy, which was nice.

sarahell, Friday, 9 September 2022 19:43 (three years ago)

the video projections were a nice addition to the performance ... though at various points the music felt a bit anemic in comparison. It's nice to see Mark still going though. A friend told me, "they should just retire already,"

― sarahell

seriously, at this point they're just cashing in, who's gonna pay $300 a ticket for a seat in the nosebleeds

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 9 September 2022 23:18 (three years ago)

the show I saw in Eugene last year was great, fwiw (I do think the live video element added something)

sleeve, Friday, 9 September 2022 23:51 (three years ago)

seriously, at this point they're just cashing in, who's gonna pay $300 a ticket for a seat in the nosebleeds

Huh? Negativland is a $22.50 ticket here at LA Arts&Archive.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 9 September 2022 23:52 (three years ago)

/sarcasm

(I assume)

sleeve, Saturday, 10 September 2022 00:09 (three years ago)

Then I can't wait until Negativland goes back to basics on their next album.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 10 September 2022 00:56 (three years ago)

aren't they playing some spot with numbers in the name that is kinda DIY and very much not up to code and probably shouldn't be promoting shows as much as they do if they don't want to get busted, though maybe LA is nicer about that shit than some cities?

sarahell, Saturday, 10 September 2022 03:53 (three years ago)

not to be a dick about it, just like, if they get busted, and you know the people running it (because it looks like they are cool), give them my contact info lol.

sarahell, Saturday, 10 September 2022 03:55 (three years ago)

/sarcasm

(I assume)

― sleeve

yeah just like. sure. negativland are going to "retire" on the massive income from their phenomenally successful recording career. because "retire" is what people do, not "get too sick to work and die".

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 10 September 2022 16:14 (three years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWYVxDmdrfg

Maresn3st, Friday, 28 June 2024 12:35 (one year ago)

on tour as well!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 28 June 2024 13:55 (one year ago)

I missed their dc area show but heard good things about it.

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 June 2024 19:34 (one year ago)

Upcoming PNW tour has the documentary supporting at all shows.

bae (sic), Friday, 28 June 2024 20:09 (one year ago)

Saw the film, live Q & A, and live show combo platter a few weeks ago and it was fantastic. Don't miss it. Allow a lot of time to peruse the extensive merch too.

nerve_pylon, Friday, 28 June 2024 22:48 (one year ago)

one month passes...

I haven't seen the doc yet so this clip might be in it.

The actual copy of Negativland's U2 that started the whole thing was sold at an Athens record store. Hosler later surmised that possibly someone connected to R.E.M. was the one who ratted them out to U2 or Island Records and at this 2004 Duke Law conference, he confronts REM manager Bertis Downs about it and Downs admits it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2h1TOfeVFA

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 31 July 2024 22:35 (one year ago)

seeing them tonight!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 31 July 2024 22:36 (one year ago)

Snitchy Happy People

Jersey Devil Vance (President Keyes), Wednesday, 31 July 2024 23:18 (one year ago)

sheesh, I totally missed that frogbs posted the clip earlier

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 1 August 2024 00:36 (one year ago)

saw them in Vancouver last night, film plus show. mind-blowing! dragged along two people who'd never heard of them and they were converted to the beauty

symsymsym, Sunday, 11 August 2024 21:00 (one year ago)


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