Shania Twain's Ramones T-shirt: C/D?

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I think it's depressing that one mention of my ass killed this thread. Maybe we should mention Ally's ass or Julian Casablancas' ass to get this thread going again?

Me and a friend discussed my ass in depth tonight. Apparently my clean living has given me back my booty! It's very exciting. Also, the donut I ate today might've helped. I hadn't eaten a donut in like 2 years. BAVARIAN CREME IS DELICIOUS!

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 26 January 2003 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, Ally's ass have finally been invoked, much like Hastur the Unspeakable in the Cthullu chronicles by H.P. Lovecraft. I now proclaim this thread officially dead.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

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I HAVE BEEN INVOKED, AND I NOW CLAIM THE SOUL OF ALEX IN NYC. COME SLAVE! NOW SERVE YOUR DREAD MASTER!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE! (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)

You cannot claim the soul of one who is soulless, o master. I serve only one god. Behold....

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

RENOUNCE YOUR ALLEGIENCE TO...UM...AZATHOTH...AND BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR *NEW* MASTER!
*Unleashes Death Pod at Alex in NYC*
DIDN'T BARGAIN ON THE POWER OF THE DEATH POD, DID YA..HUH? *HHUUUNH*! **HUUUUUUNH!!**

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

NOW HONOUR *MY* FIRE!!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

A sqaudrillion paltry death pods are nothing against the awesome majesty of KILLING JOKE! HONOR THE FIRE, SCUM LORD!

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I FEAR NOT YOUR INFERNAL MICKEY MOUSE GHOST IMAGE ILLUSION SPELL ATTACK! THIS IS NOTHING TO THE KING IN YELLOW! YEILD YOUR SOUL TO ME *NOW* ALEX IN NYC!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

CURTAINS FOR YOU, INFIDEL!

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

ph34r th3 joke 4nd th3ir fl4ming, er, what ARE those things? radishes?

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, don't you know the only way to get rid of one these damned elder god is to do THIS:

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BACK BACK to the Hell that spawned Thee! FOUL ELDER THING!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

RUN FOR YR LIVES PPL! ALEX AND CUSTOS HAVE FORGED AN ALLIANCE..

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

haha satanic poppadum power

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

See, no more elder thang.
*snaps fingers*

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

mmmmm donuts is there anything they can't do?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, I've had it with the fashion commentary, I'm taking on this thread.

Alex, who loves you baby, but dave225, nabisco, mark s and Tom are on the money. The more you all complain about this, the more the Ramones t-shirt is doing what it's supposed to be doing, which is to get you talking about Shania. This just in: music is a business.

"Ramones" is just a logo. More proof that Baudrillard was right when he postulated that in the future the strength of a signifier, rather than its qualitative meaning, will ultimately be the value that people seek in using them.

At "least" she's not selling Ramones T-shirts like at the boring rock-chick-by-the-numbers fashion in the Anna Sui boutique.

Would anyone like to talk about the album? I like "Up!" and "In My Car (I'll be the Driver). They sound like gasoline commericals written by Def Leppard. The blue disc isn't all that.

Oh no! The NYCILXCHIXoRs listened to the ILX comp, "No More Heroes" AND "Up!" yesterday when we were driving around Upstate NY. Oh No! (Well, I made them listen to Up! but it was my Strangelers comp, too!

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

"'Ramones' is just a logo."

Maybe to you.

"At 'least' she's not selling Ramones T-shirts like at the boring rock-chick-by-the-numbers fashion in the Anna Sui boutique."

Anna Sui herself is, at least, a fan of the band/scene/genre.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

IT LIVES

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 3 February 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay revenants!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I realized several hours ago the mentalist factor of complaining about a fashion discussion on a thread that's explicity devoted to a particular T-shirt several hours ago, but yes, let's carry on.

Alex, that's fine that as far as the T-shirt goes it's just a logo to me but the word "The Ramones" obviously means more than that, including a band that I have seen and records that I own.

Even assuming you know for a fact that one is a fan and the other is not, are you saying Anna Sui can sell $70 Ramones T-shirts and Shania Twain can't wear one? It's the exact same shirt -- what is the difference in effect? I mean, isn't it a good test -- would true Ramones fans be fooled? Where exactly are the boundaries of the band/scene/genre set such that that you can say a particular fashion designer is a fan and a particular pop singer isn't?

I'm not disagreeing with your position, just trying to understand it. I would expect you to be equally upset with Anna Sui for trading off Ramones logos but now I'm confused. I ahave always been curious about these what-is-okay-to-wear threads, I mean, wouldn't it be strange if I continually harped on the designer clothes a lot of musicians wear -- I mean, Mayn*rd K*enan in his Prada shoes, who does he think he is, Eurotrash? J.J. Burnel in a stripey boatneck -- what, is he a merchant sailor?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a strange over powering urge to eat a double chocolate donut.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not necessarily defending Anna Sui -- in fact, I could probably argue that she is in fact *MORE* guilty (i.e. worthy of being set on fire) than Shania because she should know that hawking glamified Ramones t-shirts is going to offend certain purists circles, but she's a fashionista to begin with (thus, an idiot). But, at least if you were to put a gun to Anna's head (and oh wouldn't that be nice) and demanded her to name two or three Ramones tracks, she could probably do it (though I'd shoot her anyway). Shania would probably fail that test, because she's a poser. Anna merely outfits posers.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

At this point I guess we have to wait until somebody interviews her and asks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

From now on I will rate people and things in terms of how worth they are of being set on fire.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Honor the etc.!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Is there any other way, Dan?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Really, you would shoot her anway? Are you saying that musical knowledge really has nothing to do with it, it's "fashion" at all that bothers you?

What is the difference between a fashionista and a rockist? What does a fashionista do, if not dictate what to wear?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Fashionista's do not like donuts or cruellers.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

but what do they do?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

"Really, you would shoot her anway?"

For this and other crimes, yes, although maybe I'd just zap her with an ink-filled water pistol or something.

"Are you saying that musical knowledge really has nothing to do with it, it's "fashion" at all that bothers you?"

I resent "fashion" that implies musical knowledge being sported by someone who doesn't take the iconography seriously.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, how much would your opinions change if Shania were interviewed and said how much she liked them? Would she have to name some favourite tracks to convince you?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, whether she likes the Ramones or not doesn't make her any less of a vile person, just less of a poser. But, I don't seriously believe that she is a Ramones fan.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree, punk rock is a serious business. As is fashion. Alex, take off those shoes right now, I mean it, they're terrible.

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and turn to the left too. Then turn to the right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Come and get'em.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, as your friend, I'm asking you to please take off the Killing Joke baseball hat, too, it's embarassing me. Baseball is very serious. Band logo baseball hats are for wannabe jock poseurs.

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

you know I'm kidding, right? The Killing Joke hat is sweet!

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

For a start, it's not baseball, it's SOFTBALL. Secondly, I'll be the firs to admit that I'm shaming the sport by participating (let alone in a Killing Joke hat). Thirdly, I DON'T CARE.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

you don't care about the Ramones shirt any more?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Sure I do. What I don't care about is sports.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

softball is a sport?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)

STEP RIGHT UP FOR THE ORTHOGONAL THROWDOWN!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

HEPL

I am so confused, how will I know the difference between an evil poseur and a person who just doesn't care? Do I set them on fire?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

When in doubt -- set them on fire.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

HONOR THE FIRE

Thank you, your honor. The defense rests :)

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Taking sides: Killing Joke or Big Black?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)

there is such an irony when people are protecting the Ramones from "poseurs."
First off...none of them were actually Ramones by blood.
Second...I don't think the (admittedly ironic) fetishization of Nazi memorabilia came naturally to Jeffrey Hyman. Neither did leather jackets (dude rocked flares back in the day).

I was gonna reference Alex and his goon squad coming to town *beep! beep!* But Ned stole my fire.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

At the American Music Awards:
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― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

In Shania's new video she pulls a Canadian flag, a Canadiens Hockey Jersey, a bunch of other assorted crap I'm forgetting, and an AC/DC shirt out of what appears to be some sort of "hip" hope chest. I have no idea what's going on anymore, but I'm horrified to say the least.

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

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