why do people on ILM hate "live through this" ?

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The whole "Courtney's antics are intertwined with her music" line of argument is almost always directed at female not male performers - see also Tori Amos, Bjork etc.

When this argument is applied to a male performer though, it tends to be as a positive statement: qf Eminem. I always thought it was a shame that Courtney and Tori hate each other so much, mainly because you can pretty much some up male rock critic reactions to women through just reading their reviews.

Michael Jackson I find scary and appalling, both musically and personally. Just like Courtney!

He's another plastic surgery disaster.

as for yr axl qualifiers, those are all pretty vague and could apply to thousands of performers. (omg, singers expressing their private pathologies thru lyrics??! No way! No one had ever done that before! Why don't we just switch focus over to Trent Reznor instead...)

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Or maybe we should just change the subject, I know how you like that. Trent vs. Axl in spoiled baby rockstar FITE!

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I didn't accuse anyone of saying this, I was making a larger point about gender-based double standards. Read what I wrote, as you say.

never met or heard anything from someone painting her as a "hero, either".

The more people are bugged by someone, the more uptight they expose themselves to be. When bugged, ignore. There's lots more interesting stuff in the world to focus on. Like talking about the music.
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Celebrity haters = me yawning.

letting the thread morph into whatever = maybe we should just change the subject, I know how you like that

so be careful.

so be careful"

I think I've just entered a Brian de Palma movie.

Not interestingly or surpisingly, I just noticed that it only took three posts for this thread to veer into the world of Courtney and away from the album.

Is that an ILM record, I wonder.

They made a conscious decision to keep themselves private, which Courtney has never done at any point in the last twelve years.

Making a conscious effort to keep oneself out of the limelight does a lot to transcend the differences between male celebrities and female celebrities.

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What differences?

i agree with yr second post, natch

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On this, Chuck, we can agree. And he's a better songwriter than Kurt, Courtney, Billy, and Linda Perry. *If* he's still writing his own songs.

whoa...xposts out a wah-zoo.

But talking about somebody staying out of the spotlight gets boring real fast (MJ is an exception, but then again, his level of ubercelebrity and uberfreakiness is also an exception). People move on to talking about other things -- but in Courtney's case, she always reappears to supply them with new ammunition. What the media/fans/Courtney hataz do with that ammunition is a different matter (as opposed to how they would treat male celebs).

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And he is a better singer and dancer as well!! And he hires better rhythm sections! (Axl comes oddly close on all counts, however. And they're both from Indiana!)

-- Vic (filmclasse...), September 1st, 2004.

You had to do a presentation on the film to get that across?

Anyway, as for my two cents worth: I've always been indifferent towards Hole/Courtney Love. I don't have that scarily irrational hatred that some people seem to have of her. She's written some good songs ("Violet" and "Doll Parts" especially). But I dunno, she never made much of an impression on me.

The whole Cobain wrote LTT thing is bullshit. Any similarity between Hole and Nirvana prolly comes from them working in roughly similar styles of music and the fact of Cobain and Love being married. It's well-known that they influenced each other's writing, but that doesn't equal cobain writing hole's album.

We creepy people typing away are far from the brain of a rock-star, I'm sorry to say this but I must. vive la difference

Oh for cryin' out loud, Fuck Michael Jackson!

Thea isn't creepy or bilious. Sure, she hangs around in belfreys and keeps talking about the blood of the living, but who doesn't?

I wonder if they combined their album collections? Or kept them in separate rooms. (Kurt's was more indie '80s pigfuck and Courtney's more major-label '80s modern rock, from what little I've read. I bet Curt would be real pissed if Courtney mis-filed his Flipper album!)