Sirens sounded, they seemed astounded: THE ILM RAP MUSIC OF THE GODS ALL TIME 100 GREATEST ALBUMS OFFICIAL THREAD

i'm british btw

Public Enemy x 2
Ice Cube x 2
Outkast x 2
Tribe x 2
NWA
Pharcyde
Beastie Boys
Notorious BIG
Nas
Jay-Z
GZA
Raekwon
Wu-Tang
Mobb Deep
De La
Dre
Snoop
Brand Nubian
Eric B & Rakim
AN Other x 2 - Gravediggaz? Geto Boys? Souls of Mischief? KMD?

Gravediggaz is a lock for the top 20, but I don't think Brand Nubian will place this high. Geto Boys are probably in the top 25 too.

I assumed 2Pac's Me Against the World would place higher than All Eyez on Me, but I'm not sure if ILXors like it enough to get it into the top 25. It'd be a nice surprise to see it there though.

i don't think mc tunes got a vote

You're just saying this to upset me.

Isn't the whole point of these to bitch and moan about where things placed or didn't place? Otherwise it'd be a bunch of cirkle-jerking and hi fives all around

I totally get this by the way. It's just that the only reason I'm submitting myself to this whole ordeal is to get some recommends on some good albums I haven't heard yet but that the levels of vitriol on show are pretty high, seeing as my only crime seems to be that I don't like Tupac and I've put some albums in the 'wrong order'.

If it was up to me we'd gang up and laugh at people taking part in the Blur poll. But I'm a righteous dude like that.

Y'know but in proper grammar and stuff.

that was a good post by tuomas, five or six posts ago

tho i don't think i listened to 'battle for asgard' in a long time because i was annoyed by a line that i thought went 'this is the battle for as gard / and we fight AS GUARDS'

There's something about Hip Hop that brings out the Harold Bloom in its listeners, me included. Setting markers about what albums are the canon and clowning people who have different opinions--especially new jacks who listen to half a Smif n Wessun album, say "they aaight" and then start going on about Madlib's 14th collection of Bongwater covers. Maybe it's because rap is such a competitive art form that we're always arguing about the GOAT or whatever.

hey guys* i'm need to pop out for an hour but i'll first leave you with #25.

*have we had one female post on this thread? this is more of a sausage fest than ws

25. Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep / Niggamortis [10 votes, 317 points, 1994]

http://piecemakerdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/gravediggaz.jpg

That one deserves its placement.

TOO LOW THIS ALBUM FUCKING OWNS YAY IT MADE IT

itt DJP liveblogs reactions to a poll he was too busy to vote in

So fuck it if you think rap music can’t be taken into that direction too without somehow compromising it's "realness".

― Tuomas, Friday, June 3, 2011 7:49 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

what is with ppl saying shit like this? who in this thread is sitting around with thug life tats assuring everyone that they need to keep it real? i doubt theres a person on this thread that doesnt like some nerdy ass forms of rap & i never see anyone rhetorically make the NOT REAL ENOUGH!!! argument for explaining why say dizzee rascal isnt as good as biggie. From everything yall have told me he grew up on a 'council estate' & may have at one time held a knife. thats not the pt & never has been -- 'life after death' is better than boy in da corner -- EOS

^^^^^^^ding ding ding, also rick RAWSE still has a hype career

That is not and never will be EOS

Basically, Ma$e ruins everything

he grew up on a 'council estate' & may have at one time held a knife

I think that's the Newham Generals tbf.

due to doran i have now listened to mc tunes album twice in a row on headphones.
its a lot of fun.
not sure i can handle digging out the dust junkys today though.
chuffed to see gravediggaz .. thats definitely one i need to excavate from the archive and fall back in love with.

I think Gravediggaz was my number three or four.

letting ONE mase verse discredit like 50 amazing biggie verses is some bullshit

what is with ppl saying shit like this?

I don't care if you're white black a bitch or a fucking bum off of the streets. If you rap about shooting people, smoking blunts, wearing timbs, drinking hennessy, and whatever else, I'll buy your music. If you rap about your girl, but don't call her a bitch, fuck you. If you rap about the economy and how its hurts migrant workers, fuck you. If you rap about your rap telekenisis or some equally retarded nerd shit, fuck you. That basically how I break it down to an extent.

― you're nobody til somebody SBs you (symsymsym), Thursday, June 2, 2011 12:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

love how people itt are taking that quote as a directive they 100% agree with

that anyone 100% agrees with, i should say

not quite; just sayin if you wanna know where ppl itt getting the idea that positive rap or backpacker stuff is being frowned upon; there's a handy summation...

(punctuation is my particular scourge...

i doubt theres a person on this thread that doesnt like some nerdy ass forms of rap & i never see anyone rhetorically make the NOT REAL ENOUGH!!! argument for explaining why say dizzee rascal isnt as good as biggie. From everything yall have told me he grew up on a 'council estate' & may have at one time held a knife.

My post was about the Cannibal Ox album, not about Dizzee Rascal - I've never even heard a full album by him, just a couple of singles. That long-ass post I wrote was provoked by the immediate reactions to the Can Ox placing, though admittedly it was also informed by other ILM discussions where people offhandedly dismiss CO and the like because of the sci-fi/backpacker element. That Ethan post quoted above may have been trolling, but it's not that far from what some folks think "real" should be.

(several x-posts)

if the top 100 rap albums thread on ilm doesn't include as least a modicum of clowning on backpacker and positive raps then something is terribly wrong w/ the internet tubes

pretty much every person who's posted that delmar quote or said something about it approvingly listens to a lot of rap that breaks those 'rules' fyi

x-post People weren't really saying that Can Ox shouldn't be here, just maybe not so high. I think the Clipse caused a lot more smhs.

Considering that the artists ppl hate on for placement have included artists who make street rap I don't think the standard backpacker defensiveness really applies here.

One of my fav things watching former h8-the-mainstream dudes get into freddie gibbs, pill, clipse, rick ross even, is that it's showing how much these dudes were opposed to the aesthetics of street rap rather than /more than the content

Gravediggaz is good and all but way too high

Lol @ drugs a money for taking delmar serious

hate itt seems to be centered on "overhyped"—backpacker or not

I've tried and tried but can't get into that gravediggaz album, kinda baffling cuz it should be right up my alley.

cannibal ox too. I find it boring as hell, all ideas and no guts.

Also I think the stodgy radio canon is the most important shit ever and I hate myself for forgetting to vote for slick rick.

No offense but I would seriously put a lot of you in internment camps and force you to listen to juice crew records, and I say that with live and as someone who is listening to the cute at this moment

I just looked up the Ice Cube discography to see if there actually was anything past his first three that had a shot here and learned he released an album last year???

(with a name like delmar how can you not take him at face value? ;_;) xxxxp

has anyone actually heard it? xp

The cure I mean, listening to the cure and dreaming of a marley marl police state

luv u M@tt

Ran that Cube album once through last year, but that was it. Cant usually get a great grasp after only 1 listen but I remember just wanting to play any of his first 3-4 albums instead, or Westside Connection. Cant even remember the couple good tracks on there.

I was frantically searching for this mystical "the cute" band.

There's something about Hip Hop that brings out the Harold Bloom in its listeners, me included. Setting markers about what albums are the canon and clowning people who have different opinions.

OTM. I guess it's enshrined in the music. This is a genre where a whole bunch of classic albums are largely about clowning other MCs for not doing hip hop "right". I just think all online quarrels about hip hop should have to be in rhyme, that's all.

listening to 'the cute' :DDD

it's not just a hatred of a certain type of music tuomas - can ox are just shitty imo.

y'all ready for 24?

it better be good

btw thx for all your hard work on this man