Sirens sounded, they seemed astounded: THE ILM RAP MUSIC OF THE GODS ALL TIME 100 GREATEST ALBUMS OFFICIAL THREAD

fwiw,

ultramagnetic >>> sex style >>> dr octagon

i havent heard black elvis but am weirded out that it made a list of the 100 best albums ever

Explain.

Can't people like what they like? ffs

i havent heard black elvis but am weirded out that it made a list of the 100 best albums ever

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not if they are uptight, image conscious posers

strike that last post. my bad. I Love Music.

ultramagnetic >>> sex style >>> dr octagon

Agree with this.

its never 'just taste'

this may be true, but the reasons behind it aren't always sinister

ultramagnetic >>> sex style >>> dr octagon

I would rank them this way too, altho I rate Sex Style and Black Elvis about the same

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"Screw being embarrassed for any of your preferences. Five years of ILX telling me that anyone who prefers Fishscale to Supreme Clientele is an idiot and yet there it is. With any of these poll choices it's not ignorance or not understanding hip hop or not keeping up or "buying into it without actually analyzing the tunes" - it's just taste."

But really tho, can anyone actually defend Black Star as a full length lp of classic tunes?

Not me for sure but I'd never suggest that obviously means that Dorian hasn't listened to it and doesn't love it. That's a bit much right?

I'm not defending Black Star - never grabbed me - but I think Dr Octagon has enough character and distinctiveness to hold up well. They seemed to be lumped together upthread as "lol backpackers" when they're very different records.

But my point is more than it's not helpful to pick apart other people's reasons for liking what they like. It gets divisive and unpleasant and the whipping boys on a hip hop thread (Black Star + backpackers in general) are always the same. Not to be all peace-and-love but I'm enjoying the rollout as much for the choices which I didn't vote for as the ones that I did. I don't think there's any danger of Jurassic 5 being number one.

I'm sure he has listened to it and loves it. xp

I never made fun of Black Star or said I hated it, has some great singles like I said. My mind cant compute anyone thinking its better than Illmatic though. But oh wells I guess. I like my share of backpacker raps, even tho I'm not sure what that is anymore.

Anyway, I'm for one am relieved to see that MC Tunes is going to be getting a well deserved top 50 placing.

I for one...

http://youtu.be/bI-eMXfA1rM

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Who is making fun of backpackers?

Not trying to be snippy elitist either, apologies if I came off as such. Its fun to hear people defend/explain their reasoning is all.

xp I can't compute preferring it (or almost anything else) to Illmatic either tbh. I just don't like nicky or anyone else being patronised but OK, great if that's not what you meant.

I don't think Dr. Octagon is a bad record by any means, but a little distance had diluted its charms somewhat (at least for me). I think if its overestimated at all its because at the time it was such an expected left-field thing - no one expected a golden age rapper like Kool Keith to come back with a sci-fi/horror concept album featuring beats from a bunch of previously unknown Bay Area weirdos and a sleeve by a guy previously known for doing Metallica records. I mean imagine if, say, Kool Moe Dee or KRS did this. It was totally out of the blue, it opened up a second phase in his career on a very WTF note. But taken in the context of what he did before and what he did after, it falls somewhere in the middle quality-wise.

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so at this rate it looks like a certain public enemy album or liquid swords will be #1

http://youtu.be/bI-eMXfA1rM

^^^this better place up high, motherfuckers.

oddly, the other day my wife and I were talking about what rap is appropriate to play around our daughter and she asked me if there was any decent post-'87 rap that didn't feature the "n-word" or egregious swearing in it and Brand Nubian was all I could come up with. that album is clean as a whistle, in a funny 5 percenter way.

Uh, De La Soul?

Actually wait, "De La Orgee"

rain in england?

^^^winner

Agree with Shakey on Doc Oc.

"oddly, the other day my wife and I were talking about what rap is appropriate to play around our daughter..."

This deserves a thread I think, my kid is 2.5 and I need to start getting some good playlists together.

oddly, the other day my wife and I were talking about what rap is appropriate to play around our daughter and she asked me if there was any decent post-'87 rap that didn't feature the "n-word" or egregious swearing in it and Brand Nubian was all I could come up with. that album is clean as a whistle, in a funny 5 percenter way.

this is entirely dependent on your tolerance threshold for Will Smith

Are there any committed five percenter rappers anymore? At least ones that foreground it? It was so dominant for a short while, along with constantly talking about your "intellect".

xp Nice analysis of Dr Octagon - I like it but I agree it got disproportionate attention for those reasons.

like, I would recommend He's the DJ, I'm the Rapper all day and all night

Can anyone vouch for Run DMC s/t being better than Raising Hell, always wondered if I should get it?

I think you could make a killer LL comp for kids, he's pretty clean, rakim too

just leave off "Doin' It"

Any episode of Yo MTV Raps will have plenty of good ideas in it.

There wasn't much that was "bad" for kids in "pop" rap pre 1988, was there?

like when I was getting into rap in 1985, everything I heard was goofy & non-threatening, which 11 year old me loved.

Blackalicious for kids? I had a teacher ask me this once and I just felt like some really old, out of touch hippy lecturer for suggesting it when her 10-yr old students would presumably, even at that age sooner listen to Obie Trice but I still recommended them to her. And J5 natch.

ah shit, I guess License To Ill was 1986; my parents hated that album.

I bet there is something a kid would like that isn't infinity years old.

nah Raising Hell is totally better

like, I would recommend He's the DJ, I'm the Rapper all day and all night

huh you know I don't have this album and I should - the singles from it are great. however, this is also precisely the limit of my tolerance of Will Smith lol

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There wasn't much that was "bad" for kids in "pop" rap pre 1988, was there?

yeah but note I said "post-'87". there's tons of old school stuff that's kid-appropriate and awesome - Whodini, the Biz, etc

Queen Latifah
assorted Tribe
Del the Funky Homosapien
MC Hammer (don't front)

was gonna say the low end theory is pretty low on obscenities

with Tribe I'm gonna have to explain what jimmy hats are...likewise "Bust A Move" is a pretty jolly tune but I have it in a karaoke video game & it's waaaay more lewd than I want to sing with my 10 year old.

let's get it started by hammer is a good one way better than please hammer don't hurt em

xp: this is why you stick with stuff like "Excursions"

i left my wallet in el segundo teaches kids a valuable lesson about keeping track of their wallets

first Tribe has Pubic Enemy on it
Low End Theory has a ton of swearing, plus the date rape song
Midnight Marauders has an ENTIRE SONG about the n-word

Latifah - eh, I dunno, never really been into her cuz I found that "Ladies First" single annoying. Monie Love otoh...

I dunno which Del album yr referring to, the first one is definitely not kid-appropriate (pissin' on your steps!)

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