Sirens sounded, they seemed astounded: THE ILM RAP MUSIC OF THE GODS ALL TIME 100 GREATEST ALBUMS OFFICIAL THREAD

The "General Hospital" skit on Octagon is and always will be the best thing about that record.

Notwithstanding many bad imitations since, Dr Octagon sounded weird and fresh in 96 and I still rate it now. Earth People and Blue Flowers alone are astounding though Shakey has a point re: "limited".

"I think some folks forgot to continue listening to rap about 10 years ago. Some of this stuff was classic for years, but just hasn't held up at all. Or the names just get passed around so much in hiphop conversations that people just buy into it without actually analyzing the tunes."

Maybe people just have different tastes in music. I think the Black Star album towers over Illmatic. I know people will call me crazy, but opinions are all in fun anyway. I don't understand all the analyzing of people's taste.

O_o

I still have a cursory interest in hip hop but really I think the last 10 years worth of albums pale largely pales in comparison to what was coming out in the 80s/90s. because I am a grumpy old man. that hates shitty synth plugin presets.

I love Jeru's voice and general oddness. There was something genuinely off-kilter about him without him having to try too hard to prove it. Kept flip-flopping between this and Wrath of the Math in the poll but settled on this because of Come Clean. Anyone know what his post-96 albums are like?

That's what forums are all about. Xxxp

Jeru post preemo is bad, barring a few singles.

XXXP: I agree with the sentiment as most of the stuff I used to listen to all the time (all LL Cool J, most Run DMC, a lot of Eric B and Rakim, Straight Outta Compton, a lot of Beastie Boys, some BDP and KRSOne) doesn't sound that good to me any more but Dr Octagon still sounds ace to me.

I forgot all about Jeru. That's a great album.

Maybe people just have different tastes in music. I think the Black Star album towers over Illmatic. I know people will call me crazy, but opinions are all in fun anyway. I don't understand all the analyzing of people's taste.

― nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, June 1, 2011 7:26 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah thats batshit challops

I know. I think Nas and Kanye are the two most overrated rappers ever.

"I am a grumpy old man. that hates shitty synth plugin presets"

I think this is one reason people like different eras. I know a lot of people who think rap production is too club orientated today.

I also know a lot of people who think old school rapping is not gymnastic enough.

which era are we calling "old school" here

80-85

nicky u r a treat

I know a lot of people who think rap production is too club orientated today.

tbh this is why I like a lot more current rap than anything in the last 15 years or so, and I'm not even really a dance stan.

also no one actually has ever rated Kanye's skills as a rapper

While we're getting all this "and then I went to the shops wearing my mother's wedding dress" stuff off our chests. I voted for The W but not Forever. I bought it the day it came out and the initial disappointment I felt with it is something I've never quite got over, while (Tuomas band otm) Careful and Hollow Bones are two of the best songs they ever did.

bang otm

Screw being embarrassed for any of your preferences. Five years of ILX telling me that anyone who prefers Fishscale to Supreme Clientele is an idiot and yet there it is. With any of these poll choices it's not ignorance or not understanding hip hop or not keeping up or "buying into it without actually analyzing the tunes" - it's just taste.

I sort of feel like anyone who can't still see what made those original LL singles so fantastic has forgotten how to live

Singles yeah, for sure but I'd never listen to a whole LL album now and it's not for the want of trying.

its never 'just taste'

fwiw,

ultramagnetic >>> sex style >>> dr octagon

i havent heard black elvis but am weirded out that it made a list of the 100 best albums ever

Explain.

Can't people like what they like? ffs

i havent heard black elvis but am weirded out that it made a list of the 100 best albums ever

?

not if they are uptight, image conscious posers

strike that last post. my bad. I Love Music.

ultramagnetic >>> sex style >>> dr octagon

Agree with this.

its never 'just taste'

this may be true, but the reasons behind it aren't always sinister

ultramagnetic >>> sex style >>> dr octagon

I would rank them this way too, altho I rate Sex Style and Black Elvis about the same

xp

"Screw being embarrassed for any of your preferences. Five years of ILX telling me that anyone who prefers Fishscale to Supreme Clientele is an idiot and yet there it is. With any of these poll choices it's not ignorance or not understanding hip hop or not keeping up or "buying into it without actually analyzing the tunes" - it's just taste."

But really tho, can anyone actually defend Black Star as a full length lp of classic tunes?

Not me for sure but I'd never suggest that obviously means that Dorian hasn't listened to it and doesn't love it. That's a bit much right?

I'm not defending Black Star - never grabbed me - but I think Dr Octagon has enough character and distinctiveness to hold up well. They seemed to be lumped together upthread as "lol backpackers" when they're very different records.

But my point is more than it's not helpful to pick apart other people's reasons for liking what they like. It gets divisive and unpleasant and the whipping boys on a hip hop thread (Black Star + backpackers in general) are always the same. Not to be all peace-and-love but I'm enjoying the rollout as much for the choices which I didn't vote for as the ones that I did. I don't think there's any danger of Jurassic 5 being number one.

I'm sure he has listened to it and loves it. xp

I never made fun of Black Star or said I hated it, has some great singles like I said. My mind cant compute anyone thinking its better than Illmatic though. But oh wells I guess. I like my share of backpacker raps, even tho I'm not sure what that is anymore.

Anyway, I'm for one am relieved to see that MC Tunes is going to be getting a well deserved top 50 placing.

I for one...

http://youtu.be/bI-eMXfA1rM

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Who is making fun of backpackers?

Not trying to be snippy elitist either, apologies if I came off as such. Its fun to hear people defend/explain their reasoning is all.

xp I can't compute preferring it (or almost anything else) to Illmatic either tbh. I just don't like nicky or anyone else being patronised but OK, great if that's not what you meant.

I don't think Dr. Octagon is a bad record by any means, but a little distance had diluted its charms somewhat (at least for me). I think if its overestimated at all its because at the time it was such an expected left-field thing - no one expected a golden age rapper like Kool Keith to come back with a sci-fi/horror concept album featuring beats from a bunch of previously unknown Bay Area weirdos and a sleeve by a guy previously known for doing Metallica records. I mean imagine if, say, Kool Moe Dee or KRS did this. It was totally out of the blue, it opened up a second phase in his career on a very WTF note. But taken in the context of what he did before and what he did after, it falls somewhere in the middle quality-wise.

xp

so at this rate it looks like a certain public enemy album or liquid swords will be #1

http://youtu.be/bI-eMXfA1rM

^^^this better place up high, motherfuckers.

oddly, the other day my wife and I were talking about what rap is appropriate to play around our daughter and she asked me if there was any decent post-'87 rap that didn't feature the "n-word" or egregious swearing in it and Brand Nubian was all I could come up with. that album is clean as a whistle, in a funny 5 percenter way.

Uh, De La Soul?

Actually wait, "De La Orgee"

rain in england?

^^^winner

Agree with Shakey on Doc Oc.

"oddly, the other day my wife and I were talking about what rap is appropriate to play around our daughter..."

This deserves a thread I think, my kid is 2.5 and I need to start getting some good playlists together.