TS: Thom Yorke vs. Chris Martin

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and your response to the topic of Yorke vs Martin is? Still not sure how you are on topic... especially you Dom since you said you were the the mediator on here a while back...

Emily - I had been meaning to ask and keep forgetting with the distractions - where did you see Radiohead and Coldplay? Just curious really. Were Colplay tickets a lot more costly in the last few years?

Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

what the fuck? no way do i have this kind of stamina.

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

"mediator". if he's fake he's damn good.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Mediator" kinda pushed me over from thinking "genuine retard" into "regular having a bit of a laugh and a giggle".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Dom - cool you picked up on that... wondered if someone would...

Just a bit uncool though that you faked being the moderator or if you are the moderator that you are so biased... the latter being the less likely scenario anyways given you would have wiped me off of here by now.

pscott - sorry you got sucked into this. Tim Action, given he has a few different names on here, seems convinced we all do that and can`t stand on our own just as he can`t and as a result he is starting to be a bit defensive...

But anyways yes this is all in good fun but I wish we stuck to the topic here - this is really getting tiring...

Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

and sorry Tim action means action tim, or action time or dok F - whatever he is going by at this particular minute...

Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Beeble was really good.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

pscott - sorry you got sucked into this.

that's ok.

sorry i ahve never seen either band live.

do you think echo and the bunnymen, sigur ros or stump are the most important of coldplay and radiohead's shared influences?

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm well to be honest I don`t know anything about Stump. Bunnymen don`t sound anything like either band to me but my experience with them is limited, I have to find more of their stuff - if there is a few albums you would recommend I would appreciate.

Sigur ros - has a bit of their sounds but you know who they actually sound like to me? The Flaming Lips... as to who influenced who there - no idea.

Johny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

pscott what are your thoughts on Radiohead and Coldplay influences?

Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there anything worth reading in the last 90 posts on this thread or has it all gone Dave Matthews?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:55 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it's a fascinating and well-argued debate about two of the greatest songwriters of all time.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Tpo correct what someone said up there, claiming there is only Aphex Twin, not Twins. There were actually two Aphex Twins in the begiining, one of them was Rick D. James and the other Tom Middleton. But then they diverged roads, like Siamese twins getting the cut... Rick D. James became the Aphex Twin, releasing boring brainwank of a music, and influencing Radiohead in their own experimental wankerooney, whereas Tom Middleton went to do beautiful melodic ambient and shit wiht Mark Prichard, therefore influening the Cold Play with their keyboard melodies, which is the best part of them just like the electronic "experimentation" is the worst part of Thom York, so Johnny B is actually wrong.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 May 2006 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there anything worth reading in the last 90 posts on this thread or has it all gone Dave Matthews?

-- Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy

better than dave matthews, not as good as madge vs janet j.

TIHS THRAED FAILS H TE TURING TEST!!! TZZT TZZT TZZT ZTTZ. !!!1

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link

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stay on TOPIC!!!

alias: alfonse (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks Jed!!!!!

it's nice to get some support in a music chatroom like this - no, i don't 'get' why some people use sarcasm either Johnny - they're not like that at Yahoo. Personally i think it lowers the tone, even if that means we're never going to be one of the 'in crowd'. wouldn't the world be a nicer place if we all just said what we meant??

personally i prefer Coldplay. They've got a much better understanding of harmony - Radiohead seem to have lost their way a bit since their glory days - sometimes i want to say to them: GET A PROPER GUITAR TUNER!! i know that maybe seems a bit harsh to some people, but there are 12 notes in the western scale and it's just not right to go breaking the rules like that. Rules are there for a reason Tom!!! Coldplay never play the wrong notes on purpose.

Beeble, Thursday, 18 May 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi Tuomas - thanks for correcting me on that, I had never ever heard of the other `twin`, it now makes sense why sometimes people use `twin` and other times `twins` . I just thought twins was a typo, my mistake. But I really question to begin with if Yorke drew influence from him or them at all. I had asked whoever mentioned the influence on Yorke to send over some quotes of Yorke saying that. I actually dug a bit on the web but found nothing about such influence being noted by Yorke.

Beeble - about the comment on Radiohead sounding detuned... well they experiment a bit with some less than traditional chord progressions and sound mixining needless to say but most of the time I think the result is good. But I do know some folks who think it can be annoying so I guess it is very debateable. (like some people who loved the bends and ok computer really don`t like the albums after) but also the one thing I have found is that if people listen to them enough, the later albums grow on them. I guess they don`t have immediate appeal when hearing like the earlier albums did.

Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

oh and Beeble thanks for the support on the sarcasm, I think you said it bang on! Could not agree with you more!

Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks Johnny!!! :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Beeble, Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

tee hee

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Three posts from the top - I'm beginning to think Jouster had a premonition...

Tim Rutherford-Johnson (Rambler), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yah maybe he knows enough about blogs to know there will be people like Chris Bee/caek who just stray from the topic constantly and have nothing to contribute to it... and at the end of the day there is no actual moderator willing to remove them from the topic as a result.

I don`t know enough about blogs to have Jouster`s premonitions, but I am learning :)

But back on topic, here is a question for all... which is the best song from Radiohead or Coldplay in your opinion and why?

Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

'airbag' and, uhh, no can do.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Gosh you really don`t like Coldplay at all huh? I don`t think they are THAT bad at all... some songs like Don`t Panick and Parachutes are actually quite good I think... not incredible - but good.

In terms of Radiohead songs, too hard to pick one... I just don`t tire of any of there stuff aside from a few songs on Kid A and Amnesiac. Pretty much anything on The Bends, Ok Computer and Airbag: How is My Driving is great. Huge classics I would say are songs like Lucky, Airbag, A Reminder and Fake Plastic Trees. But really hard to pick them even over a dozen of other songs that are timeless too.

The big test for me is that I toss a CD in the car and see how long I can endure it. Stuff I liked like Coldplay`s Parachutes, Beatles albums, Stones, White Stripes, some of the Brian Jonestown Massacre albums etc etc would do well for 1-3 months before I tired of listening to them almost daily. The Bends and Ok Computer have been in the car CD changer for 4 years now, and I am not even close to being tired of either of them yet...

Johnny B, Friday, 19 May 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm completely confused now.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 May 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Jed I could not have said it better myself - I agree you are one confused fellow...

so why don`t you focus a bit - tell us which song from which band you like... or anything on the topic of this blog for that matter...

come on, surprise us buddy!


Johnny B, Friday, 19 May 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to admit that I was very into Coldplay before I had ever heard anything from Radiohead (I was never that big on music in the past but have gotten better haha) and after hearing Optimistic (first song I ever heard by Radiohead) I was instantly hooked. A few years have passed and I'm way more knowledgable about music and Radiohead imparticular, and I just have to say they are some of the most amazing and talented musicians of the 90's and today. I know plenty of people who find their particular sound too mellow for what they like to listen to, but still respect them for their talents and all that blah blah.

The point is though: when comparing Coldplay to Radiohead there is no doubt that Radiohead is the more talented band hands down. It seems to me that Coldplay only started out for something to do with their free time, like a lot of bands, but have never really gotten over that or tried to challenge themselves too much. I don't see, though, why everyone is so intent on hating Coldplay just because of how popular they have become in their mediocracy. How were they to know they would become so mainstream? Can't blame them for it, so I don't see why there has to be any sort of hostility towards them for that.

I'm just wondering why the topic is Thom Yorke vs. Chris Martin when most people (including myself) are talking about the bands and music as a whole, and not the individual. If I really want to stay on topic, my answer would be Thom Yorke, just because I have seem many interviews about the guy and have read Dead Air Space and his blogs and all that. I know almost nothing about Chris Martin and his personality.

Sorry that was so long and choppy, inconsistant, etc etc. Just some opinion because I'm really bored at the moment.

Happy Plant, Saturday, 20 May 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi Happy Plant - I totally agree with your thoughts that Radiohead is just a superior band in terms of songwriting and that maybe the conversation should be about the bands vs the `band leader`. Also agree that even if Coldplay have taken a rather commercial turn, that there is no need to completely beat up on them. Perhaps down the road we will see some more intricate music coming out of Martin and the rest of his band vs radio hit geared music. Or maybe being commercial is what they figured out they just want to be... and that is fine too, just limits creativity no doubt...

Thanks for being on topic!!

Johnny B, Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

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fandango (fandango), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Johnny B, sicne you're such an opinionated fellow, you should join the other discussions on this blog, I bet you'd have lots to give to them.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah... blog it up.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 21 May 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

that would be great if Coldplay were to really stop and think about something more in depth than safe, radio friendly music. Who knows? It could happen. As for now though, they are pretty pleasant to listen to as background music. They don't really command attention, you know? Limited creativity, as you said.

I still choose Radiohead over them any day though.

Happy Plant, Sunday, 21 May 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I am both a huge Radiohead fan and a huge Coldplay fan. That said, Thom Yorke is the better musician of the two. I feel like he does more. For all I know that could be a load of bull, but untill someone proves otherwise whatever

Checkpoint Charlie, Monday, 22 May 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

In 98 I was visting my cousins in Toronto where I saw Radiohead at the Maple Leaf Gardens; I honestly have no idea what they cost, I think they were a gift, but I would guess about 150 quid (the seats were brilliant) I know that here in the UK tickets were much more expensive and harder to come by, and at 16 I didn't realize that a Radiohead concert is an investment. One thing that I remember quite well is that Thom kept flippin off several people for various reasons (i.e. yelling too loudly). Chris clearly wins in personality I think; he constantly thanks the audience, and I do believe his sincerity. I saw CP in 03 at Earls Court and paid about 50 and at Crystal Palace in 05 for 75.

Emily Brown, Monday, 22 May 2006 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi Emily, thanks for the info on costs for the Coldplay tickets.

Johnny B, Monday, 22 May 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

since there is not chat going, I will be off topic a bit.

pscott - I got a chance to spend a bit more time with Echo and the Bunnymen music. I must say thanks for the lead, I hadn`t really heard much of their stuff before as I stated to you earlier. Of the three bands you had mentioned no doubt if any influened Yorke it would be this one.

I also wasn`t surprised to see them as a recommended item to hear on Anton Newcombe`s band`s site. I think they influenced the BJM no doubt too and probably many others for that matter.

thanks again for the lead.

Johnny B, Friday, 26 May 2006 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

oh i'm finnaly getting it, you're not the johnny b from oxford who posts on the watercooler thread but some random menk.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 26 May 2006 07:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Enrique - really, I am just happy I am a good source to help you vent some built up frustration online. Glad I could help.

Now do you have anything productive at all to say or not ?

Johnny B, Friday, 26 May 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link


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