ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

(lol "just")

btw these guys are nerds, check out the "hot ass beat"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKxFEO3d88

ed (or whiney) would be better to lead this discussion from the pro-camp in any case.

part of the thing is that there's a lot of "them" and they have different styles and tyler is dictating the overall sound in some ways and he's likely the most misogynistic/homophobic/horrorcorish of the collective and absolutely getting the most attention right now
so everybody's getting tarred with the same brush even though frank ocean couldn't be much further from that content.

This feels a little bit like "sure the lead singer is a nazi, but the bass player isn't, so it's okay".

we're not talking about pantera

these guys are nerds

GAME CHANGER

hahaha, godwin's law means i'm done here

have fun ed

I always do

I was about to make a post that, if someone else made it (besides maybe nabisco or lilsoulbrother), I would have thrown a fit, so I deleted it.

But anyway these guys are a more talented iteration of Insane Clown Posse.

nerds are the most misogynist of all usually, hit "off topic" boards on video game forums sometime...or don't actually

lol

But anyway these guys are a more talented iteration of Insane Clown Posse.

so you can see why a more talented iteration of juggalos love them

I genuinely think a lot of Tyler's misogynistic shit is down to his basic lack of experience with women. Maybe once he meets a nice girl he'll settle down a bit.

or a nice boy

I'm sure some of this stuff is really good but can't listen right now because I forgot my headphones today. Anyway, I never dismissed them entirely although my gut instinct is to write them all off in a guilty by association sort of way while fully recognizing that's neither rational nor fair.

there's no shame in a cost-benefit analysis, esp when, as noted, the very first clip forks put up was rife with homophobic shit

Its kinda interesting to step back and view the arc of this thread from a distance.

so you can see why a more talented iteration of juggalos love them

Yes and no. Yes, I can see why cleverer invocation of that type of imagery would have wider appeal, but no I can't see how removing the intentionally ridiculous filter on top of all of the awful shit being said would make anyone want to listen to or identify with it.

Not that ICP is dripping with irony or anything, but there is a very easy out for the taking if you want to paint them as a slightly-less-than-serious group, which is that they paint themselves in clown makeup and call themselves representatives of the Dark Carnival. Tyler is an odious little shit in a hoodie having fantasies about raping and killing you; it's a bigger stretch to put ironic distance into that.

E: I would recommend "Novacane" by Frank Ocean and "Flashlight" by Sid the Kid; both are songs, neither is gross and rapey and both are really, really good. (Whether they are good enough to purchase, putting some money into the pockets of those less... redeemable, for lack of a better word, is up to you.)

You can't purchase either of them so the point is somewhat moot

WIN-WIN

DJP, I was really just trying to make fun of Odd Future fans with that crack

you will wrest my po-facedness from my COLD DEAD HANDS

hahaha, godwin's law means i'm done here

I'm pretty sure skrewdriver was already invoked way upthread. It's funny though how people want to equate this with Elvis wiggling his hips and Alice Cooper singing about dead babies, and not the bigotry and hate that it is.

Who is doing that kind of equating?

Shakey Mo ("c'mon dude how many times do you have to see this play out? Alice Cooper, the Sex Pistols, Public Enemy, NWA/Cube, Ice-T - all unforgivably offensive/transgressive/dangerous in their day, now lauded as upstanding citizens that made groundbreaking work"), who probably shouldn't be mistaken for an actual fan of OF.

also Greg Kot:

http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2011/05/album-review-tyler-the-creator-goblin.html

Transgression is crucial to pop culture. It defines the outer edge, the forbidden zone, from Elvis Presley’s censored pelvis and Eminem’s revenge fantasies to the Rolling Stones’ black-and-blue misogyny and Marilyn Manson’s fascist send-ups. And now, in a world where “American Idol” sanitizes future chart-toppers, there is the boyish hip-hop crew Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All lying in ambush.

Elvis wiggling his hips and Alice Cooper singing about dead babies, and not the bigotry and hate that it is

outraged reactions (which is what my post was referring to) are all basically the same - content provoking that reaction was not all uniform, duh

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uh apologies re: the verb tenses there

My outraged reaction at getting the wrong sandwich at Subway is not the same outraged reaction you'd hear from me if Domo Genesis calls me faggot in the checkout lane.

um right but those are demonstrably different sets of outrage. the subset of "outrage at performer doing offensive things" encompasses all the people I mentioned, that's all I was getting at. They come from a similar "this form of entertainment is not acceptable in our society" place.

um right but those are demonstrably different sets of outrage. the subset of "outrage at performer doing offensive things" encompasses all the people I mentioned, that's all I was getting at.

This is a contradiction!

I meant that you're being outraged about your sandwich does not have anything to do with being outraged about offensive entertainment

The kind of outrage provoked by Elvis and Twisted Sister and Alice Cooper is not at all what OF inspires, unless you want to collapse it into a facile conclusion like, "Well, they did and said shit that pissed off white people."

For example the set OUTRAGE includes the subsets SANDWICH RAGE and OFFENSIVE ENTERTAINMENT RAGE but SANDWICH RAGE and OFFENSIVE ENTERTAINMENT RAGE are still different subsets. let me draw a graph...

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god I hate Subway roast beef.

oh good, graphs!

sandwiches and Dee Snider in a bar graph

unless you want to collapse it into a facile conclusion like, "Well, they did and said shit that pissed off white people."

I guess I do. In a lot of ways, moralizing about how a form of entertainment is bad for society all sounds the same to me.

I'm pretty sure that's not true, or if it is can I interest you in being a backer for my new "bring back public hangings" campaign

I dunno, I'm pretty sure Shakey's on record as being soft-on-mocking-the-dead

i miss whiney

he'd have an incisive sandwitch comment

he wouldn't have let my Subway comment stand.

I'm pretty sure that's not true, or if it is can I interest you in being a backer for my new "bring back public hangings" campaign

okay maybe I should have specified ART rather than entertainment sheesh

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sandwitch house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7mF85jdN8U

^is the reference for those who don't know it

yeah I hate Tyler

he's like a wholly repellent Method Man