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what you read: ICP isn't that misogynistic, they never talked about raping someone

man this moves fast. I um wasn't really referring to you Dan fwiw

Man is this what ILM is always like? Now I know why I usually keep my posts here to, "Uhhhh, I like songs.". ;p

I get that some people don't find this as troublesome other others and that's true about tons of stuff. I like loads of stuff that a lot of people would be offended by. I was just trying to explain that I understand why people do find it troublesome and that I think it at least deserves some thought (rather than just tuning it out) because we're talking about something that is really fucking prevalent - probably a lot more so than many people realize. Although, I guess now that I've read a lot more of the thread this sort of exactly what Reddening said a couple days ago albeit much more eloquently.

ICP releases their own records though right? While as Sara pointed out, OF is getting the support of a whole indie rock industry that would react differently if they were a racist band. Which makes the "boys will be boys" and "teenagers will be teenagers" justifications such bullshit, because there are adults releasing their records, booking their shows, and giving them press. And it's not a free speech issue, they can record whatever they want. It's just, does shit like that really need to be taking up time, space, and energy from other artists who aren't assholes?

unperson, i promise to relisten to bodycount before i say anything about them again

Which makes the "boys will be boys" and "teenagers will be teenagers" justifications such bullshit, because there are adults releasing their records, booking their shows, and giving them press.

Isn't Tyler 20 now?

Man is this what ILM is always like? Now I know why I usually keep my posts here to, "Uhhhh, I like songs.". ;p

and i don't disagree with anything you just said! but dismissing anything this collection of musicians do as "hate music" based on one youtube watched is where i'm in disagreement with you. Not that you have to feel obliged to learn the canon! or even that you should! just that it's worth noting that there are some worthwhile tracks.
and it's been a long time since anyone posted them. here's one now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7qJ4_KdB4

Isn't Tyler 20 now?

No idea, there just seemed to be a lot of stuff upthread about how teenage boys say dumb shit, and how they need an outlet for their fucked up feelings, etc. Which may be true, but does the New Yorker need to devote 8000 words to that stuff?

xp: I hate this beat a lot

paradoxically I like the rapping a lot

this is like the exact opposite of how I usually react to music

I hate how he pronounced RUFFFOOOLS.

two more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnH6ZsIeKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkTue_ksW5A
^this one is like 90% about a dope dilla beat but still

I forgot how on some bits Dom sounds like

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090330134020/villains/images/8/84/Pinky_brain.gif

*Domo

but dismissing anything this collection of musicians do as "hate music" based on one youtube watched is where i'm in disagreement with you.

a) who's done this and b) isn't it the responsibility of fans to make the argument that this stuff is worthwhile when its so superficially, blatantly toxic, rather than pull the usual whines about hypocrisy and rap's proud hateful history. This isn't Common being maligned by Fox News, here. There's no agenda on the part of the people grossed out by the stuff that's so blatantly gross.

okay the beat on "Loco" is synced so poorly it's distracting
last one is unambiguously the most enjoyable, yes because of "dope Dilla beat"

(still, my favorite thing I've heard related to these guys is "Novacane")

a) E kinda did, no shots fired
b) hi, i'm posting songs that i like by the collective that are not "superficially blatantly toxic"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6LlxnFYtvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTLouiUFjI

I think the unanswerable question here is "are their 'acceptable' songs good enough to offset the degree to which you react negatively to their 'unacceptable' songs?"

even in that grocery store one there are a bunch of faggots and gay stuff thrown around

"Flashlight" is super dope on first listen!

so basically I want them to sing and not rap, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyYW67Gj4EA
djp: that's a uniquely personal question isn't it?

hence "unanswerable"

part of the thing is that there's a lot of "them" and they have different styles and tyler is dictating the overall sound in some ways and he's likely the most misogynistic/homophobic/horrorcorish of the collective and absolutely getting the most attention right now
so everybody's getting tarred with the same brush even though frank ocean couldn't be much further from that content.

ah, i read "unanswerable" as "unanswered" so yeah i agree.

lol Forks I really don't think I said anything like that and I'm near certain I didn't use the term "hate music".

Oh maybe last night I did but I was just angry and admitted as much.

yeah okay basically I just hate Tyler

(lol "just")

btw these guys are nerds, check out the "hot ass beat"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKxFEO3d88

ed (or whiney) would be better to lead this discussion from the pro-camp in any case.

part of the thing is that there's a lot of "them" and they have different styles and tyler is dictating the overall sound in some ways and he's likely the most misogynistic/homophobic/horrorcorish of the collective and absolutely getting the most attention right now
so everybody's getting tarred with the same brush even though frank ocean couldn't be much further from that content.

This feels a little bit like "sure the lead singer is a nazi, but the bass player isn't, so it's okay".

we're not talking about pantera

these guys are nerds

GAME CHANGER

hahaha, godwin's law means i'm done here

have fun ed

I always do

I was about to make a post that, if someone else made it (besides maybe nabisco or lilsoulbrother), I would have thrown a fit, so I deleted it.

But anyway these guys are a more talented iteration of Insane Clown Posse.

nerds are the most misogynist of all usually, hit "off topic" boards on video game forums sometime...or don't actually

lol

But anyway these guys are a more talented iteration of Insane Clown Posse.

so you can see why a more talented iteration of juggalos love them

I genuinely think a lot of Tyler's misogynistic shit is down to his basic lack of experience with women. Maybe once he meets a nice girl he'll settle down a bit.

or a nice boy

I'm sure some of this stuff is really good but can't listen right now because I forgot my headphones today. Anyway, I never dismissed them entirely although my gut instinct is to write them all off in a guilty by association sort of way while fully recognizing that's neither rational nor fair.

there's no shame in a cost-benefit analysis, esp when, as noted, the very first clip forks put up was rife with homophobic shit

Its kinda interesting to step back and view the arc of this thread from a distance.

so you can see why a more talented iteration of juggalos love them

Yes and no. Yes, I can see why cleverer invocation of that type of imagery would have wider appeal, but no I can't see how removing the intentionally ridiculous filter on top of all of the awful shit being said would make anyone want to listen to or identify with it.

Not that ICP is dripping with irony or anything, but there is a very easy out for the taking if you want to paint them as a slightly-less-than-serious group, which is that they paint themselves in clown makeup and call themselves representatives of the Dark Carnival. Tyler is an odious little shit in a hoodie having fantasies about raping and killing you; it's a bigger stretch to put ironic distance into that.

E: I would recommend "Novacane" by Frank Ocean and "Flashlight" by Sid the Kid; both are songs, neither is gross and rapey and both are really, really good. (Whether they are good enough to purchase, putting some money into the pockets of those less... redeemable, for lack of a better word, is up to you.)

You can't purchase either of them so the point is somewhat moot

WIN-WIN

DJP, I was really just trying to make fun of Odd Future fans with that crack

you will wrest my po-facedness from my COLD DEAD HANDS