ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

I would guess Sady would hate it & her position would be righteous? Jesus Christ Shakey you sure can get orthodox when you're cornered

not that you've ever heard of Sady before today or know anything about her politics aside from the one piece you read

I still tolerate all the icky parts of OF because what they're doing and the reactions they're provoking are still very raw, and I think that's interesting for various reasons, not in the least bcuz of where or how OF might grow/change (and I don't mean growing up or becoming objectively "better"). There is an expiration date on Tyler's shtick tho both publicly and for everyone individually.

the feminist pieces on OF have me changing my mind a bit, i do feel conflicted about this music now. whereas before my attitude was "i can think whatever i want about any topic 'cuz who cares what a herb like me thinks anyway" now i'm starting to think maybe it does say something very worrying about me that i can find a track like "epar" hilarious, or the fact that the pregnant "threesome" line in "tron cat" had me cracking up.

i remember a few years back reading about a group of casuals who went down to a local beach and seriously assaulted some disabled teenagers on a day trip, i'd never felt so angry in my life. but now i'm laughing at vince staples rapping:

"So by the seventh grade I thought that I was hard as shit
Ran up on the little bus, punched all the retarded kids"

and eagerly awaiting his album!

ugk 2 thread plz

do ppl really like lol at song lyrics or is that just something you say? i don't remember ever having done that

all the time, mostly just to rap, tbh. genuine irl lulz.

geto boys - gangster of love

^ laugh basically continuously throughout this song

I have laughed at lyrics in Weird Al songs and "Bitties in the BK Lounge"

Also "The Bad Touch" and assorted Smiths & The Beautiful South songs

and some PSB songs

basically I delight in laughing

i laugh at songs all the time
i actually was just laughing at deathgrips

obv I laughed at ICP songs

AT being the operative word, there.

oh we've laughed together as well

I haven't read this thread. This is actually the first time I've opened it and I only skimmed over today's discussion.

I can't really because I just googled the lyrics to one song and literally couldn't finish reading the whole thing. I don't have that sort of reaction to stuff like this often.

Just curious - have any female posters actually weighed in on this?

reddening is female iirc

so that means that 50% of film's female posters have weighed in?

reddening is female iirc

also otm

I didn't realize that! Ctrl F "reddening". Not that I'm sure the rest of you don't have some interesting things to say. I just honestly had no idea what this thread/group etc. was about until tonight and I just think it's interesting that there's so many posts about it and only one woman posting. I realize ILM is heavily male but still. It's always pretty interesting to me when that happens.

Fuck these idiots btw. Like I said I couldn't even get through one song and don't plan on reading anymore but anyone that knows me even a little bit here should know that I'm not easily offended and pretty laid back. I have, however, been sexually assaulted as have more of my friends than I can count on my fingers and maybe that makes me a little sensitive about the issue but uhhhhh whatever song I happened to google was flat out offensive and violent and awful and fuck anyone who can't plainly see why that's really awful and upsetting.

And if nobody actually said anything to that effect then I apologize for suggesting they may have. I may have gotten a little over-excited for just having skimmed the thread but there are so many posts. You've been busy.

I don't think anyone has said they're not offensive - clearly they are deliberately trying to sicken and offend ppl

prolly nobody would care except they're so good at it, and now they are top 10 billboard artists

hence the endless thread

the comments section on sady doyle's article have an interesting mix of pro- and anti-OF women

http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/05/18/tyler-the-creator-creates-43-year-old-joke/

I don't think anyone who listens to OF is without conflicted feelings about it. everybody goes through a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to offensive music, whether it's the mentors, GG allin, the geto boys, NWA, etc. a number of ppl in this thread are still trying to figure out where they stand in regards to OF.

tonight I'm alternating between celebrating the impending approval of civil unions in my state (passed the house, should clear senate), and posting defenses of homophobic rappers. eh, life.

does anybody really think they're homophobic, though? or just some really nasty, button-pushing trolls?

because theres no way they couldnt be both

EIII - Yeah, no, of course I realize that. I've obv done the same with several things I have liked/listened to over the years. As I said before this is a particularly sensitive issue for me and what I posted earlier was a gut reaction. That said, I can't see myself ever listening to or enjoying this no matter how great or talented they may be musically. Thanks for the link. Will read tho in some ways I wish curiosity hadn't gotten the better of me and led me to open this thread tonight. Oh well.

does anybody really think they're homophobic, though? or just some really nasty, button-pushing trolls?

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i dont understand why people keep posing this irrelevant question, because imo it doesnt matter at all whether or not they are - just like it doesnt matter whether or not they're pro-rape, either way they're still endorsing and perpetuating rape culture

ive only listened to like one song btw but i dont see why they couldnt be homophobes

sorry to hear that but I'm glad some women are posting now, it's been a real sausage party up in here

xp

it doesnt matter whether or not they're pro-rape, either way they're still endorsing and perpetuating rape culture

otm

Also gbx right about Reddening being otm from what I've read so far.

tamtam otmotm

fair enough, although i think intention counts for something.

yeah well their intention is shitty too

road to hell

is paved w/ shitty intentions

I don't think anyone who listens to OF is without conflicted feelings about it.

even the people that go to their shows and chant things like "slut" and "show your titties"? i mean there's some weird assumption that because these guys and their fanbase are so ALT that there's no total dirtbags who are into this stuff with no inner conflict or irony.

um, pretty sure that saying applies to good intentions

they aren't homophobes because tyler says he isn't a homophobe

so that should pretty much put an end to any doubt

haha some dude otm

I meant ppl itt

xp

E3 no reason to be sorry!

garland grey actually wrote a really short but affecting blog entry about it. the url's gone cause he replaced his tumblr but i'm glad i reblogged it before it disappeared:

F-Word Separatist

garlandgrey:

I don’t want to read the work of people who use the word in a derogatory fashion. I don’t want to listen to their music, or watch their movies, or devote even a tiny sliver of my attention to anything they have ever done. If you reblog that shit, and the point of the reblog isn’t to push back against that shit, we’re done here.

Today I tried to listen to a song by a band I recently saw in concert. The name of the song was “Orange Juice” - I know a lot people that I really like who like this band so I’d just been exempting myself from listening to any of their music because I didn’t want to force any sort of mental confrontation with the material.

But, yeah. I’m giving major side eye to Odd Future shit on my dash. That whole verse that ends with that tossed off “Fucking F******” turned me off completely to the idea of the band, and removed any urge I had to find anything else about them. And instead of going about my day feeling happy with that decision, I kept interrogating myself for oversensitivity. But upon listening to it again, it comes off as vitriolic and cowardly. It feels like I keep getting messages from inside of this exciting, edgy Bouncy Castle called “Odd Future” and I can see my friends in there, having a blast, getting major lift, and I’m happy they’re happy, but I can also see the big “No F****** Allowed” sign on the outside, and I can’t ignore that.

So bounce away, valued friends and colleagues. I don’t begrudge you your fun, or think negatively about you, but I’m going to sit this one way the fuck out.

when you create something that makes people feel like they can't be a part of it based on their being queer or woman, that makes something homophobic/misogynist in my book.

result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intention

but seriously do people seriously think that OF intends for women or queer folk to enjoy their lyrics? or that they expect them to not be turned off by them? that's a p big load of naivete and privilege

no, i just think it's worse to be an actual sexist/homophobe than a troll.

but don't worry, i'm actually going to stop listening to this group, and a lot of other music besides now.

rmde

marc loi'd

i'm sorry if i come off as a bit of a nob, or naive, or whatever.
but i really hope you're not comparing me to him. i think i'd have to end myself.

do people seriously think that OF intends for women or queer folk to enjoy their lyrics? or that they expect them to not be turned off by them? that's a p big load of naivete and privilege

OF is intended for the enjoyment of nihilists of all races, sexes, colors, creeds, and sexual preferences

fwiw (that is, nothing), i have a feeling that OF's homophobia is couched more in 4chan boys-being-boys trollery and while it's no doubt offensive, i don't get the feeling that it's as...genuine as the misogyny. i wouldn't expect anyone to be "well alright then!" about that obv, but to me the rape-y stuff seems to spring from a very different, uglier place than the homophobic stuff. only in that (from the songs i've listened to) they actually take the time to dig into some horrific misogynist imagery/violence, and they "limit" their homophobia to throwing around (sneering) the word "faggot." obv some very fine hair-splitting, and not a defense of any kind imo, but that's the impression i get.

i realize that this doesn't (shouldn't) have any bearing on how a person responds to OF, just doing some armchair exegesis

how nihilistic does a minority have to be to have no problem with being called slurs by the kind of people who have traditionally oppressed people like them? are OF bros so totally chill that they'd be fine with a white person yelling the N-word at them?

at first i was like:

http://philosophistry.com/scans/2010/lol-face.jpg

but then i was all like:

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/mehog125/trollly/okay-face.jpg

Breaking my rule but here is an interesting video:

http://vimeo.com/23934334