ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

shakey i'd like to know what type of rap you think doesn't reach the suburbs in 2011

I dunno let's ask Tegan and Sara

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you are a weird dude

Shakey, because this is the first time you've mentioned Tegan & Sara, I'd say you're a homophobe. After all, you never say anything about them until they said something about Tyler. Please stop being a homophobe. Is it so much to ask?

i asked you the question shakey i can hit teegs up on twitter anytime i like if i want her perspective

After all, you never say anything about them until they said something about Tyler.

lol sadly this is not true

tegan and sarah more like vegan and chair-uh

I mean seriously Shakey - this stuff is getting a giant press push. are they supposed to go In Search Of Stuff That Hates Gay People or they're big ol' racists?

^ this

pop media have made a big deal about OF & tyler. they're in everybody's field of view, and naturally, people react. same thing happens constantly in politics. don't see this instance as specifically racist, though it does cast light on weird racial divisions in american society.

tegan and sarah more like legion (pronounce it wrong) and pear-uh

tegan and sarah more like bleegan and bloop blorp

tegan and sarah more like sarah and tegan

haha

bleegan and bloop blorp more like pee pee and poo poo

Health Inspector Shakey: "What's your point in telling me you got botulism at a McDonalds in Greenpoint? Didn't you see the conditions of that White Castle in HARLEM? Think you can stop the golden arches? Get out of your bubble! FAIL!"

i asked you the question shakey i can hit teegs up on twitter anytime i like if i want her perspective

I never thought you'd pull a suzy on us I feel like some innocence was lost here today

how is old bloop blorp

Health Inspector Shakey: "What's your point in telling me you got botulism at a McDonalds in Greenpoint? Didn't you see the conditions of that White Castle in HARLEM? Think you can stop the golden arches? Get out of your bubble! FAIL!"

lol a) isn't the health inspector in this scenario GLAAD/Tegan & Sara, b) aren't they failing their job by focusing on just one act?

most importantly though, this kind of tactic really begs the question of what they're hoping to accomplish by making this public display of approbation. the health inspector would have the authority to just shut down the offending site (to carry out this analogy). But the end result of issuing these kinds of statements isn't the shutting down of Odd Future, it just enlarges their public profile (and feeds into their "we are going to offend you!" schtick)

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yo man you can close a mcdonalds but you can't stop mcdonalds, all you're doing is giving mcD's free publicity

Soooo... you are criticizing them for objecting to Tyler now, but also criticizing them for not objecting to Tyler earlier?

(tbf I thought it was Tegan Sara's job to make music, not attack other musicians. GLAAD otoh, yeah it's their job to root out homophobia, correct me if I'm wrong)

also yr analogy is broken croup quit while yr behind
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i thought your job...wait, do you have one?

Soooo... you are criticizing them for objecting to Tyler now, but also criticizing them for not objecting to Tyler earlier?

I'm criticizing them for being counterproductive and narrowly focused

you should tell these women they're being counterproductive directly, that's your job

tbf I thought it was Tegan Sara's job to make music, not attack other musicians.

oh this is some outright bullshit

man Shakey will find as many ways as he can to say "shut up offended lesbian you don't get to express your opinion"

I'm hoping for a Fat Mike guest spot on the next Tyler mixtape when he covers "Creeping Out Sara".

glaad roots out homophobia like a delicious, hateful truffle

"counterproductive" is always a great way that privileged people tell others to shut the fuck up & get on board

it's funny to think of shakey as being privileged

i mean, i get it, but it just sounds funny

I prefer stfu, it sounds more official

I'm not even on board with this band! I am just a hardcore free speech guy, what can I say. I'm not telling anybody to shut up. Tegan and Sara can say whatever the fuck they want. But let's not pretend like they're having the (I presume) desired adverse affect on OF.

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like, this is just bad tactics. you want to shut down homophobia, this is not the way to do it.

whats your desired affect here, dude?

i mean if you've got the good tactics a hardcore free speech guy would use, what are they

stfu da croupier, shakey's gonna tell us how to shut down homophobia

I hope it involves image macros

passive aggressive post-it notes on tyler's fridge

putting a character loosely based on tyler in an upcoming episode of glee, having him learn about homophobia and how word hurt and end the episode with him & the cast singing "being boring" by pet shop boys

fuck the half-stepping, just cast tyler in glee

^^^^ I would finally watch

tell me more about these post-it notes tho

putting a character loosely based on tyler in an upcoming episode of glee, having him learn about homophobia and how word hurt and end the episode with him & the cast singing "being boring" by pet shop boys

lol would watch

i mean if you've got the good tactics a hardcore free speech guy would use, what are they

I think there's a couple different issues at work here. One is shock value - OF is clearly an act that revels in doing things for shock value. If you want to rob something of it's shock value, the key is, duh, not to allow yourself to be shocked by it. Ignore it.

Now underneath the shock value is actual homophobia (which, frankly I don't really think OF are - at least not in the way that, say, 5 Percenters are), and dealing with that underlying issue requires stuff I'm sure GLAAD is hard at work on: legal protections, outreach, publicity, ie things that make it clear to homophobes that gay people are just like everyone else, deserving of the same level of respect, and that being gay is no big deal. Barring instances of specific incitement (ie, telling a crowd to kill someone at the show for being gay or something) I don't think getting into specific aesthetic criticisms of specific artists is really helpful in achieving these goals. It's too complex, and more often than not it just backfires and plays into the performers' hands. It's like when Vice interviewed those Nazi twin folk singer girls - regardless of the editors' intent, they just raised the band's profile.

but what if those nazi twin folk singer girls debuted at #5 on the billboard albums chart

if jon stewart didn't say anything *I'd* be offended

kinda what i was trying to get at before is that this has been aimed at and written about by indie-land people and its shocking to them cuz all they listen to is sweater-vest music. they don't listen to rap that much. 20+ years of gross-out/super-violent rap has totally passed them by. until now apparently.

woah what if odd future joined the 5 percent nation????

tyler's prodigious talents coupled with knowledge of self could be a dangerous thing

I eagerly await GLAAD's defense of Mister C btw

Cee

kinda what i was trying to get at before is that this has been aimed at and written about by indie-land people and its shocking to them cuz all they listen to is sweater-vest music. they don't listen to rap that much. 20+ years of gross-out/super-violent rap has totally passed them by. until now apparently.

not really - the tactic ppl take if you complain about this stuff in under-the-radar shit is then "who cares? nobody's listening anyway!" there's always a way to say "homophobia & misogyny don't matter," you just have to keep yr nose to the grindstone

found some of the responses to the mr. cee thing, by 50 and prodigy esp, pretty heartening