ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

yeah i'm not gonna shut you down or anything but i don't think i'll follow on this sidetrack because i just think the whole "charisma" thing or chalking it up to rap being more popular/relevant as an artform than indie rock is a total red herring

i feel like i find their lyrics funny/interesting because i know that sexism, homophobia and violence are all terrible things. there's a kind of moral absurdity there. if they rapped about strangling kittens or pushing prams off cliffs i'd find that funny, too. it's a given to me that this stuff is really rotten, you know?

dude seriously, come on. strangling kittens and pushing prams off cliffs ARE absurd, because they don't happen every day. rape happens every day. and the culture we live in (US at least) is fucking broken when it comes to dealing with it. lyrics advocating rape don't make me go "oh my god that's so shocking and transgressive, who would promote rape!" this is a culture that has shown a kneejerk tendency to disbelieve assault victims, victim-blame by focusing on their clothes/drinking habits, etc. lyrics advocating rape are just one more thing in the endless parade of cultural bullshit that makes me and many of the people i love feel unsafe, because it's glorifying a problem that is nowhere near being "solved" yet.

xp it's kinda parenthetical to the main point of the graf which is that rape isn't actually especially prevalent in rap, I'm just otm'ing this:

rape talk is not exactly 'common' to rap

is aero calling colin meloy a rapist?

aero otm

also, i feel like this is ripe for reclamation

stripper-bitch-faggot-asses

meloy prefers the term impelled hay tumbler

aerosmith uses his powers for good. i appreciate that. you can learn stuff from that dude. he's a pretty good screwy role model.

we are also seeing the first generation of children creating music as 100% internet babies. no? all web all games all porn all chat all the time. shit does stuff to your brain. unlimited free porn 24 hours a day? i never would have graduated from high school.

^1000 times yes^

these things aren't rappers they are INTERNET BABIES and they pay the bills in rapedollars and think that shit is funny
i mean i thought _i_ was transgressive; they on that transmet shit

still kinda corny though, but i like that about them.

so okay, here's my first thought after listening to goblin: when i was nineteen, i had a couple of interstate bottle rocket wars which is where you drive down the interstate as fast as you can and your copilot or you if you're riding solo shoot lit bottle rockets out of a length of pvc piping at your opponent's car while you're zipping down the road at like ninety or so. people get out of your lane fast. that's how fucking stupid i was at nineteen. And anyone who tried to take my meaningless, teenage actions seriously when i was in that state deserves to wallow in exactly the foolish outrage they manage to contrive. tyler is trolling like a motherfucker and it's working out pretty well for him. i don't believe for a second he "believes" any of his own nonsense, it's just a convenient lever and an easy way to stir the shit. he's also too stupid young and selfish to care that his thoughtless words actually negatively affect people. Shit's just funny! How could you possibly be taking ME seriously? I don't know shit! And so far as that perpetuates the patriarchy or minimizes the impact of violence against women or whatever who can blame him for thinking that his opinions and ramblings are as appropriately given serious consideration as, say, a group of thirty and forty something professional journalists who are writing about him should be.
also there are a few jams on here. and a lotta filler. and that's my essay.

dude seriously, come on. strangling kittens and pushing prams off cliffs ARE absurd, because they don't happen every day. rape happens every day. and the culture we live in (US at least) is fucking broken when it comes to dealing with it. lyrics advocating rape don't make me go "oh my god that's so shocking and transgressive, who would promote rape!"

understand the objection, but aaargh's "moral absurdity" argument rings true. i don't get the sense that anyone in OF is "promoting rape." it's pure nihilism, promoting nothing but its own voice. and i'm used to this. i came of age courting exactly this sort of moral vertigo, listening to the misfits, following the adventures of the mighty ranxerox and watching herschell gordon lewis movies. it's hard for me to see a real difference in kind here.

tyler is trolling like a motherfucker and it's working out pretty well for him

Frankly shocked that no critic hasn't jumped at the chance to put Goblin and a few other OFWGKA releases under a Trollcore umbrella.

http://www.coloncancerresource.com/image-files/colon-cancer-thoughtful-man-in-glasses.jpg

what great discussions touching on class, race, and gender did i miss today?

colon-cancer-thoughtful-man-in-glasses.jpg

we all got colonoscopies, you should've been here

feel so refreshed

understand the objection, but aaargh's "moral absurdity" argument rings true. i don't get the sense that anyone in OF is "promoting rape." it's pure nihilism, promoting nothing but its own voice. and i'm used to this. i came of age courting exactly this sort of moral vertigo, listening to the misfits, following the adventures of the mighty ranxerox and watching herschell gordon lewis movies. it's hard for me to see a real difference in kind here.

i'm just saying that one person's "this is an expression of pure nihilism and I don't believe it is meant seriously" is another person's "this is triggery shit that contributes to an overall feeling that culture doesn't take rape seriously." i don't think we have to hammer it into just one of those categories, it can exist in both. anyway i realize i'm getting pretty earnest for this thread, but after seeing these "i listened to terrible stuff for its nihilist viewpoint" posts, i wanted to point out that sometimes the ability to stay detached is a privilege.

ooooooh, "trollcore"! Now there's a wheel I could get behind and drive off a cliff.

one person's "this is an expression of pure nihilism and I don't believe it is meant seriously" is another person's "this is triggery shit that contributes to an overall feeling that culture doesn't take rape seriously." i don't think we have to hammer it into just one of those categories, it can exist in both. anyway i realize i'm getting pretty earnest for this thread, but after seeing these "i listened to terrible stuff for its nihilist viewpoint" posts, i wanted to point out that sometimes the ability to stay detached is a privilege.

that seems more than fair. i mean, i certainly can't fault anyone for approaching this discussion in earnest.

yeah pretty dead on

i mean both positions you describe are 100% true in my mind

reddening otm. I think mark r drew a good distinction between the kind of violent lyrics typical to rap and odd future in his piece I linked to

tyler is the same age as prodigy and havoc were when the infamous was released

ORLY?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljva876ZnP1qdudjxo1_500.jpg

hmmm wiki said he was born in 74...looks like we're gonna have to see the kenyan birth certificate.

I just remembered that Noz had posted this on his tumblr a few weeks back but with a proviso that it was probably a typo

trying to remember the year that poetical prophets unsigned hype column in the source was printed, they looked super young in that...i can remember the pic pretty well

found it but doesn't say what month:

http://dl.thesource.com/content/7744_k1hdggaxklhlt_pl.jpg

lol they sound so young here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7OzX-w794I

reddening otm. I think mark r drew a good distinction between the kind of violent lyrics typical to rap and odd future in his piece I linked to

― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 13:03 (2 hours ago)

did you actually link to it or was yr phone giving w of again

is that a joke?

no, the last time you ref'd it I didn't see the link, maybe I just missed it

ten years from now tyler will be the star of csi:saskatoon or whatever and be beloved by millions. he just needs a good movie deal. nobody cares what you rapped about once you are a movie star. kelly ripa was just telling regis how much she loved her eminem step class the other day. eminem used to be controversial i think? foulmouthed anti-woman defiler of youth. now he's america's adorable lil' grumpy gus.

xpost -

did anyone read this
http://pitchfork.com/features/resonant-frequency/7971-resonant-frequency-79/

― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:05 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I was just thinking about that in relation to reviewing Snoop tonight. Snoop, Ice-T, Ice Cube, Eminem - all former scourges, now national treasures.

xpost Aw bless, the Poetical Prophets.

reddening otm

scott otm, too. the other night jon stewart showed a clip of some fox commentator pillorying common quickly followed by a clip of him palling around with ice-t.

once upon a time vernon reid was on a CMJ panel to debate amerikkka's most wanted when it was released, somebody said it was a very clever album and he was like "yeah, hitler was a clever motherfucker too"

vernon reid can shred like a motherfucker

so if the tyler album or the earl album had more prosaic backing tracks, same lyrics, and was released on, i dunno, rap-a-lot, this thread wouldn't exist, right? or not in its present form anyway. might get a little interest from ilx rap dudes and then it would go away. gaining a white audience is obviously filled with the promise of riches, but also fraught with the perilous scrutiny of the media elite. nobody cares if you stay in the hood but not in my backyard fella!

there's probably a trenchant tumblr post about that already. i can't read everything! sorry nabisco!

yes, scott - when something is more popular, more people hear it & have opinions on it

if it were an album by the meatmen it also wouldn't be getting a whole lotta play

it's not really a given that a similar album released on Rap-A-Lot would sell significantly less than this is selling

so if the tyler album or the earl album had more prosaic backing tracks, same lyrics, and was released on, i dunno, rap-a-lot, this thread wouldn't exist, right? or not in its present form anyway. might get a little interest from ilx rap dudes and then it would go away. gaining a white audience is obviously filled with the promise of riches, but also fraught with the perilous scrutiny of the media elite. nobody cares if you stay in the hood but not in my backyard fella!

all of this. plus, you know, the hype machine reached a tipping point: major rap stars weighed in, pitchfork weighed in, major journalists weighed in, etc. etc., and suddenly everyone had to have an opinion.

including myself, i bought it and it's among the lesser albums i've heard this year (though several tracks are stellar, in isolation)

i'm not exactly sure what scott's point is. that if the music was different than ppl would be reacting differently? couldn't you say that about practically every artist ever

no, maybe even if the music were the same. different audiences breed different reactions and different scrutiny.

but yeah this is kinda obvious.

you can call me mr.obvious.

if it were an album by the meatmen it also wouldn't be getting a whole lotta play

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