ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

these kids are not special.

lol

earl is a prodigiously talented rapper

no

at this point theyre special for no other reason than that a lot of people (including you) can't stop talking about them

hey you typed out their lyrics at length, that's what i did with nicki minaj in 2009.

congratulations

being that good at 16 is biggie, rakim or nas level of pure talent

i talk about a lot of acts shakey mo, unfortunately no one else wants to talk about miss fire with me so this is where i end up conversing ;_;

also i was just talking to another journalist about this, i really hate the "you are paying attention to them therefore you love them" argument - if everyone stopped talking about OF right now it's not like i'd be clamouring to keep the debate alive. ie it;s not my bloody fault

being that good at 16 is biggie, rakim or nas level of pure talent

tell me exactly how he's "that good" compared to anyone else i mentioned. hey he knows what internal rhymes are, slow fucking handclap

that's just not true! earl and tyler are moderately talented, really no more or less than any given promising emerging rapper who drops a mixtape in any random month (better than yelawolf? na'tee? shabazz palaces? angel haze? deej's beloved jacka? or do they just have a more media-friendly backstory and some bieber-for-shut-ins teenage cvlt shit going on?).

oh, come on. "better" is meaningless. there's no way to make objective, universal comparisons wr2 this kind of shit. some might think they're better, some might not. they're certainly far more interesting to me than most "promising" mixtape rappers, but ymmv, of course.

these kids are not special.

at the very least, they're special. we're all fucking snowflakes, dude, or have you not heard?

tell me exactly how he's "that good" compared to anyone else i mentioned. hey he knows what internal rhymes are, slow fucking handclap

wit, witlessness, sensibility, sensitivity, insensitivity, complexity, simplicity, traditionalism, iconoclasm, pop sense, ad nauseam

tell me exactly how he's "that good" compared to anyone else i mentioned. hey he knows what internal rhymes are, slow fucking handclap

― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, May 16, 2011 7:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

look na'tee & yelawolf are dope, but just... no

do better than that j0rdan

natee is better than earl

imho

it kinda does, huh.

i mean assuming these dudes don't fizzle and be forgotten by the time earl is done with school, and assuming he's still interested in OF by then, the hype around w/e he decides to drop is going to be insane. it may not translate to real-world numbers, but i'm guessing that it'll attract more real-world attention than Goblin, like by orders of magnitude.

― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, May 16, 2011 9:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

dunno, earl is technically a better rapper: interesting patterns, awesome punchlines, etc... but tyler's the one who had the whole vision for OF, as well as his own brand of manic charisma. even though earl's album is probably my fave of the lot, i think tyler's always gonna be the star of the show.

btw, what happened to vince staples? his verses on epar and moracular world were schweet.

i'm going to dinner

at the very least earl is not FUNNIER than na'tee nor as evocative as yelawolf

telling other people why they ACTUALLY like something = nagl

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but this is a dumb game to play -- earl is magnetic at what he does, hes a good rapper, the idea that hes shitting on all these other rappers is bs tho

at the very least earl is not FUNNIER than na'tee nor as evocative as yelawolf

to you. this line of argument is pointless.

I don't think he's better than Shabazz Palaces or Quik tho lol

"if everyone stopped talking about OF right now it's not like i'd be clamouring to keep the debate alive. ie it;s not my bloody fault"

well would you please stop writing stories about them for major international newspapers then please?

looooool

the idea that hes shitting on all these other rappers is bs tho

of course. i haven't read the nyorker piece, but i don't feel as though earl & tyler are being presented to me as firmament-scraping GENIUSES who tower over the competition. positive reviews seem to frame them primarily as talented, widely-hyped and "controversial."

anyway i really suspect that the main contortion that ~liberal~ audiences perform in order to justify contributing to the OF hypemachine is that in order for it all to be okay, they HAVE to be genius level, unarguable talents who do things that no other can.

well, how about they just take a chill pill, stop being aspie rubes and realise there are better ways of championing the rights of the oppressed and marginalised peoples of this world than bitching about absurd teenage rapper's usage of nasty words?

oh snaps

earl shits on shabbaz palaces & angel haze -- maybe he just pisses on na'tee & yelawolf

go eat

and in what ways do you champion the rights of the marginalised "max arrgh"? or is your contribution as a straight white man (forgive me if i guess wrong! i suspect not) limited to telling marginalised groups that they're "aspie rubes" who should "chill" when they get offended by slurs and rape jokes?

odd future earl's wang pee pee them all

i kinda wish i had that one back

[jay-z voice]he's only sixteeeeen ![/jay-z voice]

would be good if we stopped pretending that OF's slurs and rape jokes are somehow unusual in hip hop

I mean maybe if they were an indie folk act it would be SHOCKING and UNIQUE but come the fuck on

I think Earl has a highly unusual grasp of language and how to write raps for someone is age -- if he put out EARL when he was 24 I would merely call him an amazing rapper -- at 17 he's a prodigy

the thing is they are treated as an indie act

rando irrelevance, but regarding Earl's mom's quote on how "before there was an Earl, there was Thebe", Earl/Thebe should totally launch a new solo-career called URL and release stuff constantly online (but obviously never tour, thus guaranteeing Jeff Mangum-like ((unwarranted)) mystification)

He was a better rapper at 16 than lil wayne was

the thing is they are treated as an indie act

I dunno what this means. I don't "treat" bands, I listen to them.

shyheim was p dope

I'm just not very sympathetic to ethical judgments of music, I guess. as a Jew, should I not listen to musicians that dabble in or draw on nazism/nazi imagery or anti-semitic 5 Percent stuff? gtfo

sorry lex, no offence. but every time a hand-wringing article about how disgusting their lyrics are is printed, another few thousand people are going to check out their youtube clips. out of sheer curiosity, at least.

which is why i specifically wasn't hand-wringy in my article

So, at this point can we assume that's NOT Earl's real mom in "Wake Up Faggot"?

would be good if we stopped pretending that OF's slurs and rape jokes are somehow unusual in hip hop

^this

the thing is they are treated as an indie act

they also use "nigga" in every sentence,(NOT VERY INDIE) but it's not discussed as the faggot or rape talk is...all those things are common to rap music.

rape talk is not exactly 'common' to rap

o rly

yes

well it's certainly not unusual

i feel like i find their lyrics funny/interesting because i know that sexism, homophobia and violence are all terrible things. there's a kind of moral absurdity there. if they rapped about strangling kittens or pushing prams off cliffs i'd find that funny, too. it's a given to me that this stuff is really rotten, you know?

had to draw the line when tyler used the terms cracker and hipster on "seven" though. that shit hurt.

playing it off as a joke kind of is imo

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