ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

i guess if people don't that's ALSO on them. definitely worth pull-quoting.

herbal-induced challop: the beat for "tron cat" is possibly the most 'musical' sample-free hip hop beats ever produced by anyone

beat(-s)

Haven't read the whole New Yorker piece but fascinated by the fact that Earl's dad Keorapetse Kgositsile is the poet whose Towards a Walk in the Sun inspired the Last Poets' name: "The only poem you will hear will be the spearpoint pivoted in the punctured marrow of the villain." Such a great, bizarre connection between 1971 proto-rap and 2011 hip hop.

That's one way of rebelling against your old man I suppose.

“So time progresses and the fan base gets bigger and the ‘Free Earl’ chants get louder but now with the ‘Free Earl’ chants come a barely indirect ‘Fuck Earl’s Mom’ and in the blink of an eye my worry changes from ‘will there still be this hype when I get back’ to ‘Oh shit I just inspired a widespread movement of people who are dedicated to the downfall of my mom.’”

this is like one of the funniest things ever said

Downfall Of My Mom would be a dope band name

don't know if this is "well, duh" or not but they play Frank Ocean on Hot 97 now. (I don't hear the radio much, had a rental car on Saturday.)

I know artists slip thru the cracks at labels all the time but the rise of frank ocean is pretty hilarious

yeah i've heard "Novacane" on the radio here too and it's climbing up the R&B charts.

lmao @ that earl quote

nvr knew the full name was odd future wolf gang kill them all dont give a fuck loiter squad

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earl comes off as way too mature to really tolerate some of tyler's asshole behavior if he was around him now

<3 excerpts from that poem re: thebe - how you gon/do anything but rule?

The emails from Earl are relayed through his mother and as much as i don't want to cry conspiracy, they really can't be taken at face value.

haha, the world's first Earl Truther. anyway maybe you're right, but I trust sanneh enough as a journalist to feel secure that he wasn't played.

the way sanneh presents it kinda makes it clear that he's not necessarily taking it at face value either, just putting the little info he has out there

also OF are so middle class lol

I don't think they've ever claimed otherwise? also I don't see why that matters

it doesn't really, though it makes their acting out even more of a boring cliché and adds to the unowned privilege that runs through their work

that makes it more authentic

You know what would be a good addition to this thread? A class debate

lex if you couldn't tell they were middle class before your opinion prob doesn't mean shit tbh

ha well it's asking a lot for teens of any sort to own up to privilege imo, seems like an unfair criticism to me

guys, I know there's important arguing to do, but "downfall of my mom"

there's a widespread movement

so should I steal this from a doctor's office? buying it at a newsstand seems passe

buy the damn thing at a newsstand, good articles are awesome and worth supporting

otm. the fact that the new yorker continues to come out every week is some kind of miracle imo

ok maybe I will buy a copy and then steal one from a doctor's office, while wearing a ski mask

Ice Cube was middle class, dudes. Give a shit.

you know who else is middle class? you.

I think lex's point has to do with the uninterrogated/ignored/outright denied privilege that goes with being a straight American male

that we keep hearing about

on the other side of that, though, there's "downfall of my mom"

the uninterrogated/ignored/outright denied privilege that goes with being a straight American white male

fixed that for you hope you d/m

came into this thread only to post downfall of my mom quote but i see you guys are already aware

Edward, privilege attains to all males + especially to American ones. sorry to blow yr mind w/that

like, whiteness is undeniably its own sphere of privilege but anybody who thinks that male privilege magically disappears in the absence of the cherry-on-the-sundae privilege card is delusional & wrong

So is it better to be black male or white female?

We settled that one with the Democratic presidential primary iirc

Ice cube wasn't really 'middle class' his dad was a janitor.

kind of a non-question xp - it's "better" to acknowledge how privilege informs your positions and avoid engaging in dialogues/narrative stances that use one's own privilege to marginalize/disenfranchise others, i.e., straight males telling lesbians that they've got some hard dick for them. For Edward, Tyler evidently has some offsetting disenfranchisement that makes this sort of homophobic assholism harmless, acceptable trolling. for me, less so.

speaking of harmless, acceptable trolling

lol stfu cropu

thought it was interesting that when tyler gets pissed off remembering how other students called him white boy in high school his response is basically: fuck the black community. in that interview. being a pissed off nerd put fuel on the fire.

For Edward, Tyler evidently has some offsetting disenfranchisement that makes this sort of homophobic assholism harmless, acceptable trolling.

no, my attitude isn't tyler's black so he can say w/e the fuck he wants (more like he's an artist he can say w/e the fuck he wants), I just think it's interesting to talk about the privilege of being a young black man in america, and the strange concentric circles of privilege these discussions imply

I am srsly not fucking with you, it's an odd thing to hear

I agree with that - when we talk about privilege, we're usually talking about white privilege. but hetero + male are heavy privilege, both of which extend further throughout history & culture than white privilege which is basically a brief, destructive historical moment whose window of existence is contracting & will shortly* be a "wtf happened there, that sucked" deal

*not like next week. but "shortly" considering the arc of history.

wait hold up I just checked some youtube comments about a domestic violence case and I may have to reconsider my thesis - some of these guys say it's actually men who're discriminated against! shit this changes everything

j stalin is a crack baby

anyway i still find lex's insinuation to be pretty gross

Crack baby is passe subject matter- wish j stalin had more shock rap verses and skater clothes