ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

Odd Future is on a fast rise to fame after being lifted from Internet obscurity, partly in thanks to Kanye West

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oh shit sorry for posting that again

The frontman of the mercilessly hyped independent rap group

hyped without mercy

please tyler don't hurt 'em

lol at them having a tour bus

why? pretty sure any other act selling 50k the first week isn't traveling in a van.

im not saying it's WRONG, just that it's funny to think about

maybe they can paint it yellow and prolong their adolescence a little longer

man do you serve wine w/ yr sour grapes or what

if you don't understand what the phrase "sour grapes" means, sure.

Well, I figure we're good for another 1000 posts here

ok thanks man, more of a beer drinker tho

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btw they probably don't "have" a tour bus, they probably rented one & they or XL paid for a wrap

was the wrap from subway? too bad whiney isn't here for this

btw they probably don't "have" a tour bus, they probably rented one & they or XL paid for a wrap

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, May 13, 2011 5:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

appreciate the inside baseball but i think people are just talking about the fact that they're touring in a bus and don't care who actually owns the title to the vehicle

well to keep up on the inside shit, a bus makes much better economic sense if you're going to be on the road with a crew of of people for longer than a few weeks. buses have beds in them, so a traveling ensemble only needs 1 or maybe 2 rooms to shower in per day (fewer, if the venues they're playing have showers), whereas a van means multiple hotel rooms. touring in a bus kinda doesn't mean you're riotously successful, it just means you can sell out enough 500-seat venues to stay out on the road for a month.

There are quite a few of them

why doesn't anyone camp when they're on tour is what i want to know

NPR debate!

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/soundcheck/articles/web-extras/2011/may/13/soundcheck-smackdown-odd-future/

NPR will settle this.

woah NPR not settling this at all

why doesn't anyone camp when they're on tour is what i want to know

some do actually!

kristen hersh and 50 foot wave had a tour bus when we opened for them so anythings possible!

It is not without great hesitation and hand wringing that I enter into the discourse about Tyler, the media who glorifies and excuses misogyny and homophobia, and the community of artists that doesn’t seem remotely bothered by it. I can only hope that someone reading this might be inspired to speak out. At the very least, I will know that my voice is on record.

god this npr thing is so stupid

i thought mark richardson's column today was v. good, odd future vs. big L related

yeah that npr thing was really really really bad

that jaime woman says "they aren't hip hop" next song they play the beat sounds exactly like slow ride from licensed to ill

they kinda just sound like two random people after 3 beers

*While listening to the NPR debate*

Does the woman who is ant-Odd Future realize that the music isn't the source but how black kids are raised is the source? I really hate when black people say aritsts need to be responsible while not touching on the sexism, homophobia, and self-racism of the black community itself (and the USA as a whole). I'm kinda glad that Odd Future exist as it kind of exposes that part of the black community in an ugly way.

But I do agree that Odd Future are being seen as a freak show to hipsters to a certain extent (I forgot all about the calamity which was the Kill Whitey parties).

Odd Whitey Party Gang Kill Them All

Thank god I remembered that tegan & Sara aren't cocorosie

weird - i don't see them as all that freak show at all - isn't their novelty and appeal for kids that they're goofy depresso adult swim internet nerd skateboard gross-out horny misogynist offensive class clowns - which is way more plain old teenage boy than anything... really they seem more like an updated post-internet "license to ill" thing than anything

they seem less "freak show" or exotic or whatever than wu-tang or something - wu-tang was way more on some weird fantasy superhero shit than these doofuses

but maybe i'm way off i just heard a little bit here and there

nah I think that's OTM

altho in general I agree with deej that they are not really all that awesome/remarkable - the music's pretty hit or miss. there's some undeniably good rapping and the occasional great hook/beat but seems like there's a lot of crap to wade through. quantity over quality in the internet age, no surprise...

I do find them fun in a "lol teenagers" way

when tyler describes his writing as being about "raping a bitch" in response to an interview question in the NPR piece it kinda sucks imo & makes Sara Quinn's point; that's not "in character" or anything. It's a total pass for using "bitch" to mean "woman," not as part of a constructed performing persona, but in conversation.

new eminem more than new beastie boys

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yeah, I noticed a while ago there was an interview where he was talking about the Fallon performance, and saying something about his idea to "dress a bitch up like a zombie." like, really? ugh.

it's kinda hard to make the argument that OF are worse than garden variety rap & cite casual uses of "bitch" as an example (not that it makes it right, but)

^^^

people only get pissed off about this when it reaches a certain cultural zeitgeist-y state, the rest of the time hey it's like black metal or 99% of hip hop (ie perfectly ignorable)

no, I remain at a simmering level of bummed out about it all the time and when it reaches that zeitgeist-y state, then there's a reason/excuse to talk about it some - same with why one talks about Varg but doesn't really spend a lot of time grousing about 100 Ukrainian/Russian nsbm bands

when tyler describes his writing as being about "raping a bitch" in response to an interview question in the NPR piece it kinda sucks imo & makes Sara Quinn's point; that's not "in character" or anything. It's a total pass for using "bitch" to mean "woman," not as part of a constructed performing persona, but in conversation.

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, May 13, 2011 6:36 PM (2 hours ago)

of course it's part of his constructed performing persona! an intelligent person responding to a question in that way is being purposefully absurd and clearly, intentionally provocative. if glenn benton responded to an interview question by saying his writing is about drinking the consecrated blood of virgins from the skulls of infants no one would say, wow, now we're really hearing what this man thinks.

believe that if you like, free country etc - he was describing his writing and comparing it to a director making movies with violence in them. at that level of discussing one's craft, I think it incredibly naive, or really charitable I guess, to think "sure, he just used 'bitch' there as part of his public persona"

Some folks are giving a 20-year-old way too much credit for general intelligence and thoughtfulness. Yes, he can come up with an interesting beat or two. Yes, he's got a flair for wordplay. That doesn't make him any smarter or any more emotionally mature than any other 20-year-old, and seriously, I don't want to hear anything most 20-year-olds, male or female, have to say, whether they're artists or not. And I suspect most over-30s in this thread would agree with me.

(Right about now, I think Tyler's crowning achievement so far is the OF album covers and general visual style - that shit is fantastic, way more interesting than his lyrics or music. He should give up music and become a graphic designer.)

part of his persona is being a crude offensive rapper. if he all of a sudden stopped saying 'bitch' and talked in high tones about how 'sexually assaulting women is a purely representational aesthetic decision' would that make things ok? I don't have to be told that, I can read between the lines here.

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Some folks are giving a 20-year-old way too much credit for general intelligence and thoughtfulness.

This makes me want to assemble a bunch of "Tyler or Taylor?" ILX quotes and see if we can guess which one they're about.

part of his persona is being a crude offensive rapper. if he all of a sudden stopped saying 'bitch' and talked in high tones about how 'sexually assaulting women is a purely representational aesthetic decision' would that make things ok? I don't have to be told that, I can read between the lines here.

this is so hilarious - there's actually a whooooole load of space between talking in "high tones" and being able to find some word for 'woman' other than 'bitch' but people who're determined to imagine that this guy is "constructing a public persona" instead of the obvious misogynist & homophobe he is (which isn't to say he's not a great artist, plenty of great artists are reprehensible dudes) are gonna jump through whatever hoops they gotta jump thru I guess