the juke/bmore/bloghouse frankenstein dance music they play at clubs

pretty sure he killfiled you, dude

"pretty sure he killfiled you, dude

― what is my attitude (gbx)"

i'll send you a memo when i give a fuck

Unfortunately you are both on the same page.

also^ redundant.

Pipecock doesn't give a fuck about anything except hearing his own voice bounced off others opinions. That much is obvious.

i dont think they were on the same page at any pt.

moonship is saying its bland how little 'musicality' (which i take to be a sorta-myopic term that talks about how the tracks are constructed?) these guys are trying to incorporate where pipecock is arguing the same bland position as the hipster djs but from the other side, that the ONLY interestin thing about dance artists is a focus on this 'musicality'/craft etc

took that night slug mix out running today and thought it was sorta ruthless and boring.

yah i started listening to it and it was feeling pretty same-y to me too -- but not offensive in the same way frankendance is

more like tasteful "check out how they sequenced these drum patterns - pretty cool huh" -- not v. populist which frankenhouse aims for

I think Tim would feel some level of vindication regarding that mix.

I like it, but it does represent a more macho (and outsider) take on UK Funky compared to say what Footloose is DJing. It shares a lot of Marcus Nasty's approach to the genre.

But the big distorted basslines in parts are straight out of bloghouse so I thought it was appropriate, even if the guys who made it would disavow any influence from that direction.

I meant a HTML page deej. It was meant to be a funny.

"Pipecock doesn't give a fuck about anything except hearing his own voice bounced off others opinions. That much is obvious.

― fandango"

i'm interested in people having ideas that are a little less moronic than whether a music is populist or not. there's a difference between populist and bullshit, this music doesnt seem to recognize that. people actually like good things when they hear them instead of just hearing the same old same old that every hip joker likes to toss out there. is listening to dubstep and the non-dance genre of dub techno (?!?!) really someone's reaction to how terrible shit like this is? there's no middle ground of people making music that is actually good and fun to dance to without being completely retarded?

"pipecock is arguing the same bland position as the hipster djs but from the other side, that the ONLY interestin thing about dance artists is a focus on this 'musicality'/craft etc"

is that really what i'm saying? how does my love of Dance Mania to the point of near obsession jive with this theory of yours?

"more like tasteful "check out how they sequenced these drum patterns - pretty cool huh" -- not v. populist which frankenhouse aims for

― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej)"

if cool drum patterns are not populist, how was jungle or 2-step ever chart music in the UK? who invented this line of thinking that for dance to be populist it must be as bad as possible?

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no one has answers to my questions. somehow i'm not surprised.

Nobody cares what you have to say. Somehow I'm not surprised.

"Nobody cares what you have to say. Somehow I'm not surprised.

― Matt DC"

except for the thousands of visitors to my blog and the people who pay me to write for them.

FACE

omg

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hmmmm

was that a pic of your mom giving me a hummer?

ew evan why do you have a pic of your mom blowing pipecock

no u dummy it's a pic of when my mom bought him an suv

oh haha your mom is so nice!!!

should've given him a hybrid

which was then hosted by the web information company, alexa.com

"should've given him a hybrid

― 808s & heartdrake (J0rdan S.)"

is that what you call it when she sticks her finger up your butt while giving you a hummer?

she did it as payment for some stuff pipecock wrote about dance music for her

i couldn't believe that i had come across my mom's favorite dj/critic right here on ILM!!! "omg," indeed :)

she is only one of thousands of visitors to his blog

i'm mad populist like that

what is this button next to "Permalink"?

"what is this button next to "Permalink"?

― beggin-ass keith (The Reverend)"

wow, ban me. that sure would be too bad. how could i ever live? i guess it would be slighly less fun not being able to terrorize you pussies, but i think i'd be able to get over it.

in fact i just voted to ban myself. let's do it you fucking pussies, put your money where your mouth is. prove you've got something between your legs you bad motherfuckers. don't let me come in here and do as i please.

we need 50 ppl to suggest ban u but that would require 50 ppl reading your posts

which is obv a quite bit less than the thousands of visitors to your blog

oh noes! i guess that's not gonna happen then, eh? too bad for you guys.

pipecock is going to terrorize you pussies

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"pipecock is going to terrorize you pussies

― beggin-ass keith (The Reverend)"

unlike how i terrorize your mom's pussy

how clever, your way with words is astounding!

actually, it's funny. the more shit i talk on forums like this, the higher my traffic goes. this is not only fun, but it gets more readers. it's wonderful how life works out sometimes.

"how clever, your way with words is astounding!

― beggin-ass keith (The Reverend)"

i'm a professional, what can i say?

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

crazy strategy - clearly all of us here on ilx are looking for a blog dedicated to fighting the status quo by covering all the music we love and showing how it is all interrelated.

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Famous blogger pipecock contemplates the music he loves and how it is all interrelated

come on, jordan, you should know that dillawall.jpg is the canonical pipecock pic

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so many meme possibilities in this thread!

can't believe ppl would suggest-ban pipecock

i started making a frankendance track on saturday, altho really it is a S.U.A.D. homage

i hate to validate disco nihilist / tombot style grousing about production technology but i am sort of coming around to their take on software vs hardware

why bother concentrating on programming rhythm when you can just take an mp3s and chop them to bits on your laptop? then it just becomes a matter of showing off your taste in your "productions" rather than, i dunno, musicality or something. no surprise then, that this music is like the domain of blogger dudes who check turntablelab every day?

One of the things that has changed with the democratization of production technology is that it is brought down the length of apprenticeship considerably. Theo Parrish once said that if you want to be a producer you should just be a dancer for a few years, then become a DJ for a few years, and then start making music. I agree with this because it gives you a working knowledge of the whole picture of dance music and actually make you a part of a subculture with a working vocabulary.

You can make good music on hardware or software or a combo of both but you have to know what you are doing. It is a lot easier to just grab chunks of audio and warp it to a beat than it is to actually sit down and program or play a beat. That is why people mention the fact that people's samples don't fit together or that their productions don't actually flow up thread. Ableton can be great tool if you know what you are doing on a technical(knob twiddling) and a musical(the actual ideas underneath the production) level. The problem is that you can get a cracked copy of Live and Soundforge and start sending audio out to your social network within a couple weeks of fooling around. You might not get good results, but you can get results very quickly.

Most of the examples of the bad stuff on this thread are just people cutting up their collection and stitching it back up in Ableton in really unclever ways. It is just a mish mash of off key synth loops, blocky drum loop that swerve all over because the producer can't write variation in their drums(they can't program so they just grab loops and they don't have the skill to chop them ala pete rock), and bad stabs that aren't really rhythmic or melodic.

I think the other thing is that people go from joining the audience to creating content very quickly. If you dance for years you are going to have a physical understanding of the psychology of the dance floor. Your body will know why some rhythms work and others don't. You would also have an understanding of why you play a certain record at a certain time and how to make music ebb and flow in a continuous way. You are also going to stick around long enough to really get to know the music and spread your taste around. I can think of people who either got into the music and got out once they stopped doing the drugs or they only got into one tiny aspect of it(one micro genre) and then left once they got bored with it. I think that is good because they didn't have real love and they didn't have enough perspective to bring their own voice to the table. Nowadays some of these people would be making music and DJ'ing on their laptop and adding untold layers on top of crap that we have to wade through these days.

It is hard for me to say how the actual culture works on the ground because it seems to be a mash up of several different directions and it seems that some directions work better than others. I don't like the fidget stuff but I can see why it would work and what it is going after. The amateur hour b-more/juke stuff just leaves me scratching my head. I have seen enough of the hipster dance scene in Austin to know that I am not interested in being a part of it on a musical level(the only thing I can interface with since I don't drug anymore, I don't wear the clothes and I am not interested in the people...). Then it was JUSTICE, some b-more and mash-ups trainwrecked together on laptops and now I imagine it is the same shit with slightly different sonic wallpaper. People were on the same cheap Mexican coke and booze like every other club downtown.

That being said, I also know that I need to accept the fact that this stuff isn't coming from the dance music continuum and it shouldn't be judged according to the same criteria. If anything this stuff is probably the North American version of grime. It has a lot of the same weaknesses and will probably have about the same longevity as a genre. I can't really get upset about this stuff because it is going to go away as quickly as it came. At some point there is going to be a sea change in music like the amped rock band was to the big band in the 50's or disco was to cabaret music in NYC in the 70's. This stuff isn't it.

I'd love to wave my cane around and tell these kids to get off my lawn, but this just isn't enough of a threat to justify that attitude.

If anything this stuff is probably the North American version of grime.

I should clarify that I mean that from a production stand point. I understand that the MC angle isn't there and that the class issue isn't there in most cases.

Correct me if I am wrong, but frankendance does seem to have a strong working class/poor angle to it. Regional hip-hop and commercial R&B fill that niche in NA regardless of race in urban areas.