ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

aero, i'm usually 100% in your corner when it comes to the real world application of personal core values (tearing it up re: abortion rights in politics threads), but i'm a little at a loss here. not so long ago, we might easily have said that using "faggot" for gay man was a lost battle, that homophobia itself was a lost battle, that straight society would simply never accept homosexuality in any form. same goes for certain racist language and assumptions. the ease with which we roll over in accepting "bitch" and other forms of misogyny depresses me. not saying i don't understand, but i'm still disappointed.

it's just that I don't think I'll ever get anywhere trying to argue on a music message board in 2011 that the use of "bitch" is incredibly offensive & harmful & damaging - struggle to imagine how to get to a point where sexism might be something people would address with more than a why-this-doesn't-prevent-me-from-enjoying-the-music passing comment in an aboveground review

I mean don't get me wrong it's despair functioning here but at some point you just gotta say, you know what, some things I maybe can have an impact on by using reason - persuading men younger than me that "bitch" is always wrong isn't one of those areas

what if i am posting a recipe for a bitchin cutting-edge stew

sorry

anyway it's past my bedtime & the Cubs have a comfortable lead so g'night

lol I used to rep Cali so you would get a pass from me there

wait your a cubs fan

dude have you been to wrigleyville

yeah it was kinda fratty but most of the dudes there knew "your" from "you're"

hush

lol srsly gnight

from now on, everyone should be required to tell the board when they're going to bed

i wanna seriously say again that throwing a frosty out the window at some people is some unforgivably dickish behavior. like seriously, you can couch all kinds of language in whatever PERSONAE you're into and oh eminem did this already and meta meta meta meta mushroom mushroom whatever but if you are throwing beverages out your windows at strangers you are a straight up choad

this right here is where i draw my line

i object to the waste of a delicious frosty

otm

give it to me

he will on the "Tyler Will Throw a Colloid at You From a Moving Car Tour 2011"

i wanna seriously say again that throwing a frosty out the window at some people is some unforgivably dickish behavior. like seriously, you can couch all kinds of language in whatever PERSONAE you're into and oh eminem did this already and meta meta meta meta mushroom mushroom whatever but if you are throwing beverages out your windows at strangers you are a straight up choad

― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

FORKS OTM, no joke

only thing worse imo would be if tyler was an unabashed serial double parker

i have never thrown a beverage out a window at anyone, but one time i did yell "pants!" at a guy wearing weird pants

i've thrown shit out of the window at ppl, it's very dickish

if we can drive this thread directly into the yelling things from cars thread that would be....something

i would feel p comfortable blaming a certain fancy pants music critic if that happened

Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album

Thanks, guys! I had almost convinced myself to check it out.

your opinion will be missed

you should download one of the zillion fake copies instead and just sorta groove on neutral milk hotel kill them all

plenty of reward in women breaking down social and sexual boundaries, if it's done right

― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:19 PM (36 minutes ago)

and by "right" I mean with a sense of style

― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:19 PM (35 minutes ago)

um doesn't "sense of style" mean "titillating dudes in a non-boundary-breaking-at-all way"

why am i even wading into this thread, but JESUS CHRIST

― maura, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:57 (Yesterday)

prolly not cuz ppl w/ a sense of style in my book include patti smith, kira roessler, donna dresch, pj harvey

JESUS CHRIST

(hi maura)

anyway it's past my bedtime & the Cubs have a comfortable lead so g'night

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned)

this part confuses me, still having agent orange syndrome from '03 tbqf

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hayo sry to hit n run and not 'read the thread' im sure its been discussed and so on just wanted to say great piece lex otm

^^^

OK, I haven't read all through this thread, but I just got done listening to this and my two main observations are that it's roughly about 8 hours and 20 minutes long and that dude has basically turned into Angry Drake. I'm guessing both these things result from Tyler believing his own hype. There are a few good songs (most of which I'd already heard), but I can't see myself listening to this in its entirety ever again.

dude has basically turned into Angry Drake.

I'll take "Things Odd Future Has In Common With ILX Threads" for $400

Took me a few sittings to get through it, the thing is paced like a slug. One listen is good enough for me too. Shoulda recorded the whole lp with the roots ,that fallon version of sandwitches sounds better than anything on goblin.

Yeah, it took me til my 3rd (!) try to get all the way through.

checked out blackened white again yesterday and man, those track times were manna after this thing

real talk

20 y/o internet rapper not understanding concept of 'album'

Bastard worked pretty well as an album. ¯\(°_o)/¯

its a paradox!

ik,r?

in goblin's defense (again), the track times are a little misleading. like "radicals" is really a 3.5 minute song with a long interlude tacked on at the end. the single cuts that that and doesn't drag at all. "fish" looks long at 6+ min, but it's really two relatively short pieces jammed together, both pretty great. no excuse offered for "goblin", "window" and "golden", but they're, uh, thematic and mostly exist to frame the rest. "nightmare" is longish but totally justifies itself, imo.

The song lengths aren't the only thing that makes it feel 8 hours long though.

feel awful goofy, but what the hell, my playlist:

01. Yonkers - 4.09
02. Radicals (edit) - 5.36
03. She (feat. Frank Ocean) - 4.13
04. Transylvania - 3.12
05. Nightmare - 5.22
06. Tron Cat - 4.14
07. Sandwiches (feat. Hodgy Beats) - 4.51
08. Fish - 3.53
09. Boppin Bitch (separated) - 2.27
10. Analog (feat. Hodgy Beats) - 2.54
11. Golden - 5.43
12. Burger (feat. Hodgy Beats) 3.50
13. Steak Sauce 3.22

runs just over 50 min, solid pretty much all the way through. might cut "transylvania", i dunno...

actually, cut "boppin bitch" and "steak sauce" too, run time goes down to around 45 min, close to perfect

Also i don't think anyone is "outraged" but lex

i'm not outraged, that was my point! i listen to and enjoy many songs that include homophobic and/or misogynist content - there's a song on the new dj quik album, which is my favourite rap album of the year, where he calls people queers for a few lines.

my focus on it w/r/t tyler is because a) it really is so much more front-and-centre - i take the opposite view to rich fourfour, t.i. or 50 casually dropping "faggot" is easily ignorable to me but tyler seems to make it, and the rapeyness, the point way more than anyone else; b) making it the point and leaning so heavily on it makes his music worse from a purely artistic perspective.

also i don't know whether t.i. or 50 or whoever would even drop "faggot" in a track these days? i don't actually recall hearing it that much over the past few years, from either underground or mainstream rappers - when eminem said it once on "roman's revenge" there was a furore about that - i can't imagine jay-z coming out with it. because, like, society and hip-hop have progressed since 2001, when jay-z felt able to casually drop it on the blueprint.

which is why the "it's just a word that 4chan kids use to piss off old squares" argument is so dumb, because it's a word that signifies old squares and old bigots to me, and using it so much just makes tyler seem totally regressive and like an old square himself.

also i want to agree w/contenderizer that tyler's rapeyness is much more beyond the pale than the "homophobia", such as it is - it's not just calling people bitches or the usual objectification, both of which i'm usually ok with - in like 15 years of listening to hip-hop i don't think ANY rapper i've been into has tried to make actual rape jokes such a big part of their shtick so it's not just an extension of standard hip-hop misogyny at all. it goes without saying that they make his music fail as art too - the phrase "rape jokes" gives that away - rape isn't funny in any context - someone really really needs to school tyler on that (and if you don't get it someone needs to school you too)

"it's just a word that 4chan kids use to piss off old squares"

I don't buy that as being the argument... it's a word 4chan kids use to be edgy. Tyler uses it 'cause "it's an impact word" i.e. it riles squares/people who care/bloggers.

I would keep 'Her' in a cut version...works nicely btwn 'Tron Cat' and 'Sandwitches', provides a bit of a breath. Love that run.

yeah i think that's why i'm emphasising that i'm not riled as such - ain't nothing i haven't heard before son - but it also makes him sound like an old square. there's little sadder than some kid trying to be edgy and ending up sounding like a 50-yr-old bigot.

you should download one of the zillion fake copies instead and just sorta groove on neutral milk hotel kill them all

― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), donderdag 12 mei 2011 6:11 (5 hours ago) Bookmark

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