Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

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oh man, when resorting to "this is how other people SHOULD act" you know the argument is over

i just don't like the record. can't explain it. i love disco. i love fun retrovival records. i love camp as tits records.
i just don't care for this one at all. sounds so trite (and "forced" at the same time) that its really rubbed me the wrong way every time i've put it on.

but i would certainly never tell anyone else that they "SHOULD" or "SHOULD NOT" enjoy it for whatever reason they do. yuck.

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

in the name of clarity:

i thinking marcello means couscous. coulis is like a kind of thin sauce type dealio they sort of do weird 'lines' of at posh restaurants, like petit blanc indeed.

― HKM, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the idea that the Floyd cover is "new" or meant to be new is so utterly ridiculous.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

no-one better steal my 'camp fire' gag

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost to rentboy)

Well I would, can, do and have. We need more elitism in art, in order for it to matter again.

Also Old Fart! I am neither cliched nor indie!!!!

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

No, sorry, it's a stupid defense of a band when people go "But no! You don't get it because you don't like dancing, blah blah" when it's just a question of "No, sorry, I *do* actually like to dance, I just can't dance to *this*."

If your defence of a band is going to be "but they're danceable!!! That makes them fun!" then it is a valid criticism that I can't dance to them. If their only excuse is to be a dance band... well, that's an excuse I just fail to see!

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

All of you UK people complaining that people only like/remember The Scissor Sisters due to forced exposure should really remember that they aren't being forced on everyone across the globe; I don't even think they're getting airplay in the US and I still like them.

Dom is right though; Alcazar is better.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

have you read your posts on this thread?

nobody said "dancing" either. it's just this age old if it's not bleeding guitar strings and death or twee lemonade in the fields it can't possibly be guitar music, no no!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The Scissor Sisters are fab! I won't hear a word said against them!

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom is right though; Alcazar is better.

Ah yes? Plz recommend things...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

basically I'd rather listen to vacuous cheesey MOR which is done consciously and wittily than most of the albums which have charted in the top 40 this year.

but as I said "Comfortably Numb" is a good disco/house record in its own right, I have never heard the Pink Floyd version and judging from their other stuff I'll be happy and have an extra 38 minutes of my life to spend doing something else if I don't.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I've not been listening to much except classical music lately, so disco, indie, rock, it's all shite to me compared to the Early Baroque period.

Now if they were camp like THAT, I might give them a chance.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

you don't like disco at all tho right?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

We need more elitism in art, in order for it to matter again.

elitism in art only makes it matter to those who feign the self-importance and elitism they help to create. one can hold oneself up to some "standards" and miss out on a whole lot of fun stuff, and just wind up looking like a dumb, self-absorbed prick to everyone else

just ask all the indie rock kids from the mid-90s who recently discovered dancing

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned,

'Crying At The Discotheque'
'Sexual Guarantee'
'This Is A World We Live In'
'Physical'

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Old Fart! I am neither cliched nor indie!!!!
Well, "people buy Scissor Sisters records because they are stupid and lazy and think that doing a disco cover of a Pink Floyd song constitutes adventurous new music whereas they are simply gentrified bourgeois corporate gutrot packaged by Polygram to look new. " does bear resemblence to a pretty cliched "idiotic masses enslaved by the corporate capitalists" type rant beloved of certain died-in-the-wool indie fans!!!!
So you can understand my confusion!!!!!
― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

End blockquote...

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I like disco if it's got good basslines. That's the only excuse for disco that I can see. Their basslines are tedious.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

fair enough, perhaps you shouldn't bother speaking about disco then.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you heard "Monkey Baby", Kate? Actually scratch that, that's tailor-made to be the type of thing you'd hate.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

But disco is ALL ABOUT THE BASS. If you don't have a good bassline, you don't have dance music, and you don't have disco.

Scissor Sisters aren't shit *because* they are disco, they just are BAD disco.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

'Filthy Gorgeous' has a great bassline. it depends what you want tho i suppose. obv. we're not talking Chic genius pop sensibility or production talent, but then Chic can be pretty tedious themselves at times.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yes Comfortably Numb doesn't sound like any disco or house does it, nor Moroder/Frankie Knuckles, nobody!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Disco is surely not all about the bass - i can't recall 'Can You Feel It' having a particularly good bassline, but it's still amazing

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

did Deee-Lite get shit from people at the time for lazily ripping Herbie Hancock and just hollering over the top?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

THERE IS AN ALCAZAR VERSION OF SEXUAL GUARANTEE?! WHY WASN'T I INFORMED OF THIS?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Disco doesn't necessarily have to have that octave-hopping, leaping about Chic basslines (that I actually love and appreciate) - there are other ways of bass being good, being solid, being 3-dimensional.

I don't hear that in SS.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello was right up thread though - all these Scissor Sister fans are moving ILM a little to the right.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt, what other versions of 'Sexual Guarantee' are there?

Bass is not the problem at all with the Siz, jeez

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

No, it's not *the* problem with SS. It's one of the MANY problems with them.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

'Crying At The Discotheque'
'Sexual Guarantee'
'This Is A World We Live In'
'Physical'

Hahaha, this band was tailor made for me from the titles alone!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

get a better stereo Kate

this argument can't continue if it's just going to amount to 'yes it is/no it isn't' status tho

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, maybe the song I'm thinking of was Alcazar all along without me noticing. Maybe I just assumed it was a timeless pop classic all along.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

how can you possibly compare disco, a massive genre encompassing great musicians, scorching vocalists and production geniuses, with the turgid work of one overhyped, underperforming band? thread is now officially mental.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(i do also realise that disco emcompassed an awful lot of shit, too)

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

because the Scissor Sisters obviously love disco and incorporate aspects of it into their tracks, 'Comfortably Numb' and 'Filthy/Gorgeous' the prime examples. is that really so difficult to comprehend?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

that said, the amount i am bothering to defend them does not equate with the amount i actually like them (which is a fair amount but hardly fanboy).

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it would be better to be more specific.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, like I said on that other thread that withered and died, the sheer volume of my hatred has little to do with the insipid mild turgicity of their music, so obviously the amount I am bothering to attack them says more about me (and ILM) than about them...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

And nothing said here today has convinced me that the antipathy is anything but a kneejerk to the praise.

(xpost)

come on, 'Filthy/Gorgeous' reeks of Sylvester, call it karaoke/cabaret if you want, i don't find that a problem, it strikes me as a competent stab at apeing the style irrespective of the fact there is no large black T.V. fronting it

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

obv. the disco genre itself reflects a thin spectrum at which perhaps Moroder and the darker Italo stuff are at one end and the more cheesy stuff (Bee Gees, yer man Sylvie) at the other

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I must just be responding to "praise" because I have no musical taste of my own, and I'm incapable of disliking something or forming my own opinions just because it doesn't conform to my own tastes and expectations of pop.

I don't know how many times I have to state that I dislike them because I don't like their music. I HATE them because I'm overexposed to them. I admit that, but it doesn't negate the fact that I really don't like their music.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, this has all been very fun, but I'm off to rehearsal now...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

but it seems you only feel you have to speak out about hating their music so much because you've had trouble avoiding them so much

it's just that when you (not YOU) get to actually criticising the ethos, or the music itself, it always seems to revolve around 'they think they're sooooo cooooool, but i know better, i remember when this stuff actually was new!' which is fair enough but a little tiresome to hear every time someone comes out with a record unasbashed in revivalism (goes for 'Is This It' too i guess). people have different ideas of what constitutes good party music but ignoring snobby pretensions, this stuff fits the bill just fine.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like them because they dsound like Elton John, and lots of other music I really really don't like. The ridiculous hype merely serves as the ketchup on the chips of criticism.

also I hate fun, obv

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Let us take the 'hate fun' meme out back and kindly and sweetly club it over the head with a shovel.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate the scissor sisters' music, i hate the dull jaded camp, i the fact that they're touted as being great when they're merely tolerable. i hate the fact that people ask me to play their stuff when i dj because they don't know any better.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

and they are not fun. they are bland and annoying.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh snippy Ned!

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

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