Jackson Browne - C or D?

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I'll give him props for producing David Lindley's awesome El Rayo-X and providing good back-ups thereon.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i really do like that first LP a lot, when i'm in the mood for it

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

ten months pass...
Can there be a better coke album than 'running on empty'? Or even a better album so shamelessly devoted to a single narcotic?

fancybill, Thursday, 25 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I looked at this and thought 'hmm I wonder who started this thread' and then it was me! Unbelievable! I should listen to more JB.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 26 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The Best of Boney M: shamelessly devoted to triptophan. My mom's had it on repeat all day.

giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 26 November 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i was thinking about jackson browne today. actually i was thinking about one of his lines (i forget which) and it made me cringe. but i like him.

ok wait i think the lines were "you've heard that hollow sound/of your own steps in flight." what a precious-precious line.

amateur!!st, Friday, 26 November 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i also like "somebody's baby" even though it makes me sad for some reason.

amateur!!st, Friday, 26 November 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess in part because the song is superficially jaunty but the sentiment expressed in it is such a self-defeating, pathetic one. the point of view of a stranger and all that.

amateur!!st, Friday, 26 November 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

amateurist, are you drunk?

my mom has a lot of jackson browne records.. guessing by this thread, i should steal "running on empty." which others are worthwhile?

Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 26 November 2004 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)

no, that's not such a good one. you want to get the first, self-titled record.

i am not drunk, unless one can get drunk on turkey and peach cobbler.

amateur!!st, Friday, 26 November 2004 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a hilariously bitchy melzer bit about browne and nico, but I can't find it online anymore. i think it's the same piece where he bitches about a teenage cameron crowe taking a shit at his place and not flushing.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 26 November 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, sounds great [/deep sarcasm]

amateur!!st, Friday, 26 November 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

haha ok i'm totally misremembering everything, stop presses, it WAS NOT c crowe who did not flush. here it is: http://condor.depaul.edu/~dweinste/rock/meltzer-afrev.html

Ah, the gang: I knew it well. I'd had an encounter with one of its thugs, see, and in the process got tossed by said mag for telling what was it?, oh yes, the truth. This was '72. After several false starts, Jackson Browne finally had an album out, which seemed a good occasion to bring to light some interesting hokum from his past--I'd known the mutha since '67. So I did the first feature on him for Rolling Stone or anywhere else--a rave, for crying out loud, and he freaking hated it, thought it made him look "too punk." And what might be so wrong with that? Before twelve people knew who the fuck he was, he was like some weird-isn't-the-word cross between the Young Marble Giants, say--or from a later universe: Cat Power--and Byron or Shelley. On his first visit to New York, he backed up (and horizontal-danced with) the fabulous NICO, had a connection to Lou Reed and the Warhol crowd, blah blah blooey. So I talked all this stuff up--what the hey--it was what I thought would make him MOST APPEALING. And he's so upset he gets Asylum Records prez David Geffen to call the Stone and have me booted, good riddance, don't come back.

Four years later, I was eating at South Town Soul Food in L.A. when Jackson walked in with gang-sister number one Linda Ronstadt. Not wanting her exposed to my cooties, he motions for her to stay put, struts over, sits down, and in less than a minute explains to me how it is. "We singer-songwriters"--he always relished being part of something (but imagine calling yourself such hogwipe)--"feel we get a better shake from this Cameron kid...he never challenges us...accepts our side of the story...we don't have to worry what he'll say...no offense, but..." I.e., writers exist to write-about-musicians, bub...so go wash dishes or something.

poor thing.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 26 November 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Ahh, just put on 'Late for the Sky' so classic in a mildly boring kinda way.

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Friday, 26 November 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Steal 'Late For The Sky' & 'The Pretender'

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 26 November 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i like somebody's baby too - always reminds me of "fast times at ridgemont high"

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(a) i don't believe that story
(b) meltzer must be the most annoying writer i've encountered in months
(c) he uses the phrase "horizontal dance" which means he no longer exists to me

amateur!!st, Friday, 26 November 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I think 'horizontal dance' was shelved at last sec as the title for JB's Hits...
None of em are completely NOT boring. Running on Empty is mostly(?) live and therefore a little more world-weary/leery -probably too punk in this sense.
'Late' is slick!

fancybill, Friday, 26 November 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Revive.

Lots of comments here on the Jackson songs recorded by Nico on Chelsea Girls, plus Meltzer's comments on Jackson's early songs. There was a double LP acetate album produced in '67 as a songwriting demo album. Jackson has never released the stuff, but it has been bootlegged as the Nina Demos. I think Meltzer's comments are a little over the top--there's a saccharine element to some of these songs--but I swear there are like fifteen or more songs on the thing that are as good as those three songs on Chelsea Girls.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

how does that material compare to the nitty gritty dirt band's first record?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the NGDB had their old-timey music material and then they had those kind of baroque pop versions of Jackson songs and Steve Noonan/Greg Copeland songs. The Nina Demos are just Jackson on acoustic guitar.

Steve Noonan's Elektra album is worth hearing. Meltzer has some things about it in Aesthetics of Rock.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Cover photo by Linda Eastman.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
i recently rediscovered the first (and best) jackson browne lp, and it is really good.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

ahh... Saturate When Using... There are some cool tunes on that one. I think it's time for me to revive my obsession with 70s California Asylum/Geffen rock...
Or I might pull out the last Wilson Philips album

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get the hate towards "Lawyers in Love." Great pastiche of doo-wop, good guitar work, and Jackson shows that he's got a sense of humor!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

the arrangements on his later records are so clunky, i find them embarrassing even if the songwriting and lyrics aren't truly embarrassing.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

That's my problem with the much-beloved "Somebody's Baby," a terrific pop tune ruined by pedestrian El Lay backing band. It sounds like it could be sprightlier, happier, or swing a bit.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

HUGE fucking Dud. He and the Eagles should be tied up, locked in a submarine and torpedoed towards the earth's core....where, upon arrival, they must fight desperately to stay alive against swarms of angry pteradactyles in a skyless, underground realm ruled by monobrowed zinjanthropi.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Loathe The Eagles. Love Doctor My Eyes.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

HUGE fucking Dud. He and the Eagles should be tied up, locked in a submarine and torpedoed towards the earth's core....where, upon arrival, they must fight desperately to stay alive against swarms of angry pteradactyles in a skyless, underground realm ruled by monobrowed zinjanthropi.
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...) (webmail), May 4th, 2005 5:14 PM. (vassifer) (link)


i must say: alex, you've outdone yourself

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

he's got a sense of humor

i dunno, his sense of humor seems really academic and leaden to me. i say this as a pretty big fan of his first 2 1/2 records.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I like "Doctor My Eyes," that's a good single.

I also love his "Mae Jean Goes to Hollywood," done brilliantly by the Byrds...and I just heard a good version of it by Johnny Darrell, on this Raven Byrds-associated song comp called "Byrd Parts 2."

I mean, I think that's his best song ever.

Overall, though, not someone I go back to. I kinda think "Running on Empty" album is all right. He was on the road and all. I share Alex's wish to consign the Eagles to some eternal hell, though--even though I admit to liking "Take It to the Limit" and sort of halfway respecting some of what they did otherwise, like "Life in the Fast Lane," which is, uh, really well performed and recorded...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
" so classic in a mildly boring kinda way" is right. there's something so literal, dull, and occasionally quite dumb and clunky about "late for the sky," and yet browne describes certain moments of an affair with a good deal of precision, and it definitely evokes a cathartic "this is your life" response in me every few lines. but i'm not sure what it does beyond that. there's a real pleasure listening to this record (well, most of it) but it's one that leaves me feeling more than vaguely unfulfilled, uninspired.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Still love "Running On Empty" (the song), like "Lawyers in Love" and "In The Shape of My Heart," discard everything else.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Dan Fogelberg vs. James Taylor vs. Kenny Loggins vs. John Denver vs. Jackson Browne

The Mad Puffin, Friday, 27 May 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"the words had all been spoken / and yet somehow the feeling still wasn't right / so we continued on through the night..." sort of epitomizes what i'm talking about. that's a great opening line, but also sort of clinical, and the song doesn't really fulfill all its expectations,and i don't know what the clincher (the title phrase) means exactly.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

some of what i like about that record (and browne in general) is sort of ineffable, just the unshowiness of his phrasing and the timbre of his voice, which he almost always uses well (on his first 4 records at least).

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

also the way he writes a tune to those opening lines is sort of brilliant, the strain in his voice accompanying the higher reaches of the melody comes at EXACTLY the right moments in the lyric, as do the more "resigned" melodic resolutions.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean most good pop music has that sort of speech-like quality. but he really outdoes himself here. "i don't know WHAT YOU-U-U LOVED IN ME[voice cracks]" etc. although i still can't get behind this stuff unequivocally.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

You should hear the Nina Demos, ammo.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

how do i hear them???? can you gmail them to me?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Be glad to burn copies. I'll email you.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 27 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
I lived a quite happy Jackson Browneless existence from circa 1987 through 2005. It never even occurred to me that I might be missing something; there was so much else to listen to. Maybe I had a glimmering of reawakening when somebody covered "Somebody's Baby" for the Not Another Teen Movie soundtrack. But it passed.

The other day I had a sudden, intense need to hear "Tender Is the Night" and "The Pretender" and maybe also "Rock Me on the Water" and even "Lawyers in Love." Just for grins I thought maybe I also needed "Running on Empty" as well.

Holy moley. The dude is catching some very specific range of Boomer middle-aged melancholy that I'm going to find irresistible for a week and then put back on the shelf for another couple decades, but don't harsh my mellow just yet.

I never want to hear "Doctor My Eyes" again but there are a few lyrics of his that I absolutely need to have exist. God sends his spaceships to America. I want to know what became of the changes we waited for love to bring. Looking into their eyes I see them running too. Tender are the hunters. Just make sure you've got it all set to go before you come for my piano.

The production values show some of the worst late-70s excess and bigness/slickness, but then he mostly stick to recognizable, basically timeless rock instrumentation--few synth drums, few sax solos--and it has some agreeable white-t-shirt purity to it. His voice can be too earnest and a bit laconic, but at the same time, the way he sings "the benediction of the neon light" and "now we've got all this room, we've even got the moon" charm me.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 01:59 (twenty years ago)

his solo acoustic album from last year is awesome

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

yeah, his in-between song rants and especially "lives in the balance" are pretty cathartic, politically

prince rupert, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 02:42 (twenty years ago)

i was gonna summon mr. tallis to thread, but here he is.

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 02:59 (twenty years ago)

yeah that solo "Lives in the Balance" sends chills down my spine! also the spoken intro to "These Days" is classic

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 03:28 (twenty years ago)

Terry Melcher's "These Days" is quite the beautiful.

just yesterday a friend tried to convince me that Jackson Browne is better than Tom Petty. i wasn't having it, but i need to hear more browne

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 06:04 (twenty years ago)

i only know the brilliant "lawyers in love" and the excellent "somebody's baby". should i buy a greatest hits or the original albums ?

retrogurl, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 07:49 (twenty years ago)

Puffin, go back and listen to "Late For The Sky" a few times. If you've ever known it was over just before it was really, really over, and been lying in a bed with someone who knew the same thing... Well, if it doesn't get you on the first spin, it should still own you by four or five.

But yeah, "Tender Is The Night" is prolly my POO...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

still not sure who started the fire tho

coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 22:53 (three years ago)

After all, it was you and me.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 23:06 (three years ago)

lol

I am reliably informed that you can't start a fire without a spark

coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 23:25 (three years ago)

he's very likeable in the eagles doc

taught glenn frey how to write songs (indirectly, frey was living in the apartment above browne, would wake up to the sound of browne's piano through the floor, listening to browne playing the same verse over and over, 20 times, until he had it down)

corrs unplugged, Monday, 8 May 2023 07:39 (three years ago)

three months pass...

will i ever be able to hear "fountain of sorrow" without bursting into tears

ivy., Wednesday, 30 August 2023 15:25 (two years ago)

you've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right

ivy., Wednesday, 30 August 2023 15:25 (two years ago)

thats a great song. lady of the well is the jb track that currently gets me.

nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Thursday, 31 August 2023 00:03 (two years ago)

you've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right

gets me absolutely every time

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:37 (two years ago)

It's a good song.

I can still be undone by "Rock Me on the Water," or even "Tender is the Night."

Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:40 (two years ago)

ten months pass...

Over on the main Little Feat thread, some dude refers to his coverage, not yet published:

Random fascinating tidbit from Gradney that did not make it into my piece: “I remember management trying to break us up. They wanted to put Lowell in a superstar band with Jackson Browne and [Lovin’ Spoonful frontman] John Sebastian.”

― some dude, Monday, July 15, 2024

Think I saw a cable thing where Browne sings a few with at least C and N: sounding better, needing anyvocal help he could get, interest-wise---but then back to solemn solo boredom.
Nevertheless, there are a few instances like this online (and with Raitt, as already cited)---not great, but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV03illYdTM

dow, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 01:13 (one year ago)

i saw Browne solo about 10 years ago and really enjoyed it. he'd play a few songs on piano, then walk over to a big row of guitars and think about which one he wanted to play and tell a story, did a lot of Late For The Sky stuff and three Warren Zevon covers.

some dude, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 11:40 (one year ago)

Dude aged well

Millennium Falco (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 July 2024 12:22 (one year ago)

David Lindley and Lowell George playing together could have been interesting.

That said, probably a decent chance they played together at some point.

There is a Uk documentary on Little Feat I saw I think on Prime that was worth a view. Van Dyke Parks, Neon Park and others were in the film. Kind of a talking head thing but there was some good clips and pictures too.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 13:32 (one year ago)

LG co-wrote but doesn't play on a good Runnin' On Empty track that Lindley plays on, closest thing I can think of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BbzBFUUyCs

some dude, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 14:49 (one year ago)

LG plays guitar on "Your Bright Baby Blues" on The Pretender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjH_AQT6aq0

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 16 July 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

six months pass...

I've got a Jackson Browne block that ensures none of his stuff sticks, for whatever reason, so pretty much anything I hear from him (yes, even "Late for the Sky") always hits (or misses) like I'm hearing it for the first time. But I heard the song "Ready or Not" today, which is about a guy knocking up his girlfriend and learning he's going to be a dad and ... I was struck by the underwhelming sentimentality of the storytelling, but also distracted by what felt to me a conspicuous lack of a third act, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Like, I kept thinking where someone like Randy Newman or Zevon would have taken the story. Newman would have stuck the landing (in half the time), Zevon would have made it fucked up. Springsteen might have (and pretty much has) found something compelling out of similar domestic situations. But Browne ... the song just kind of peters out. I wonder why the song ends when/where it does?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 January 2025 17:38 (one year ago)

Hmm, not one of his big tunes tbh, but it goes from singer not sure what's going on to realizing she's pregnant, letting her move in and finally thinking about settling down, I think the narrative arc holds, even if it's very small

but then I'm actually not necessarily interested in going from a to b, what jackson does incredibly well is creating small scenes or moments, I think the opening of Fountain of Sorrow is perfection:

Looking through some photographs, I found inside a drawer
I was taken by a photograph of you
There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more
But they didn't show your spirit quite as true
You were turning around to see who was behind you
And I took your childish laughter by surprise
And at the moment that my camera happened to find you
There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0vYnD6GGyU

although I couldn't offhand tell you what then happens

corrs unplugged, Friday, 17 January 2025 09:52 (one year ago)

I wonder why the song ends when/where it does?

It seems that his son was born a few weeks after For Everyman was released, so since it's presumably autobiographical or was taken that way by his audience, I guess it's hard to come to any conclusions about life with an as-yet unborn baby.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 19 January 2025 19:21 (one year ago)

Interesting, I guess I didn't think it could potentially be autobiographical.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 19 January 2025 20:35 (one year ago)

"H-A-T-R-E-D" by Tonio K

I know i'm acting immature
i'm acting like a child
i should display some self-control
instead of going wild like this
and i do wish i could accept all this
as simply "life" which includes pain
and act upon the actual fact
that nobody's to blame ...
oh, yes i wish i was as mellow
as for instance jackson browne
but "fountain of sorrow" my ass
motherfucker
i hope you wind up in the ground

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 19 January 2025 21:53 (one year ago)

I kept thinking where someone like Randy Newman or Zevon would have taken the story

Newman describes sitting stoically in an empty baby's room without describing what happened to mother or child. Zevon goes on a bender, reconciles to the idea he's going to become a father, and comes back to find the woman has terminated the pregnancy in his absence.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 20 January 2025 03:38 (one year ago)

ten months pass...

From his official social media:

It is with deep sorrow that we share that on the morning of November 25, 2025, Ethan Browne, the son of Jackson Browne and Phyllis Major, was found unresponsive in his home and has passed away. We ask for privacy and respect for the family during this difficult time. No further details are available at this moment.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 26 November 2025 20:36 (six months ago)

Oh no, that's horrible

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 27 November 2025 07:57 (six months ago)

Ugh

Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 27 November 2025 13:07 (six months ago)

Handsome man too.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 November 2025 13:20 (six months ago)


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