The Ramones : Classic Or Dud

But, Dr.C makes such a good case for Da Ramones that I'm thinking of checking them out again.

But part2, Jason makes a very interesting point that almost gets buried: the puritanism of much punk. I feel it's a key to why I don't like much of the stuff (although most of the time I think of punk as anorexic - no bottom ;) Will go up on the mountain and meditate on this insight.

Which kind of explains why I like so few American bands. Seems that whatever genre they work in, there's always that wide Rock streak that suffuses it all and kind of obliterates whatever else they're trying to do.

OH-OH-I-LOVE-HER-SO-O-OH.

So I went to see what I thought was going to be a bunch of dodgy old punks on Saturday night and ended up seeing a dodgy old Scottish Ramones (this is a good thing).

Then I told my son (Mark, 5 and three quarters) that "Brian's band sound like the Ramones" and his jaw dropped and he said "THE RAMONES? REALLY? COOL!" and I think it's cool as fuck that my kid thinks it's cool that someone his dad knows is in a band that sounds a wee bit like The Ramones.

Then I listened to It's Alive this morning on the way to work and it reasserted itself as not only the best live album ever, but possibly one of the BEST ANYTHINGS EVER!

C.L.A.S.S.I.C.

Anyway, Weird Tales of the Ramones, anyone got it yet and want to tell me why I really need to buy it regardless of what I already own?

This is looking pretty classic:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ramones-Its-Alive-1974-1996/dp/B000EGEVZK

Finally, the It's Alive footage on DVD, with about, er, 100 other tracks!

DVD1:
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CBGB New York, NY (9/15/74)
Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue
I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement
Judy Is A Punk

Max’s Kansas City New York, NY (4/18/76)
I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend
53rd and 3rd

The Club Cambridge, MA (5/12/76)
Chain Saw

Max’s Kansas City New York, NY (10/8/76)
Havana Affair
Listen To My Heart

My Father’s Place Roslyn, NY (4/13/77)
I Remember You
Carbona Not Glue

CBGB New York, NY (6/11/77)
Blitzkrieg Bop
Sheena Is A Punk Rocker
Beat On The Brat
Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue
Rockaway Beach
Cretin Hop
Oh Oh I Love Her So
Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World

The Second Chance Ann Arbor, MI (6/26/77)
Rockaway Beach
Carbona Not Glue

The Ivanhoe Theater Chicago, IL (7/6/77)
Pinhead
Suzy Is A Headbanger

The Armadillo Austin, TX (7/14/77) Early Show
Commando
I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend

The Armadillo Austin, TX (7/14/77) Late Show
Now I Wanna Be A Good Boy
53rd & 3rd
Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World

Liberty Hall Houston, TX (7/15/77)
Loudmouth
I Remember You
Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment

Liberty Hall Houston, TX (7/16/77)
Oh Oh I Love Her So
Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World

Don Kirshner’s Rock Concert L.A., CA (8/9/77)
Loudmouth
Judy Is A Punk
Glad To See You Go
Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment

The Camera Mart Stages New York, NY (9/3/77)
Swallow My Pride
Pinhead
Sheena Is A Punk Rocker

It’s Alive, The Rainbow Theatre London (12/31/77)
Blitzkrieg Bop
I Wanna Be Well
Glad To See You Go
You're Gonna Kill That Girl
Commando
Havana Affair
Cretin Hop
Listen To My Heart
I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You
Pinhead
Do You Wanna Dance?
Now I Wanna Be A Good Boy
Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue
We're A Happy Family

Bonus features:
- Dee Dee and Joey - The Beginning (Interview)
- Tommy - Forest Hills High School (Interview)
- Danny Fields - Revelations (Interview)
- Joey & Dee Dee - Influences (Interview)
- Joey & Danny - Artistic Growth (Interview)
- Violence? (Interview)
- What is Punk? (Interview)
- Tommy - How I learned to play drums and we got a record deal (Interview)
- Dee Dee - Coffee And Cigarettes (Interview)
- Johnny - Hard To Stop (Interview)
- Argentina - The First Time (Interview)
- Mandagsborgen (Interview)
- Sha Na Na Shenanigans (Interview)
- It's Not My Place (In The 9 To 5 World) (Video)
- Somebody Put Something In My Drink (Rare Video) (Rough Cut)
- Photo Galleries (Also Ramones fans got chance to send photos taken by them to the DVD).

DVD2:
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Musikladen Bremen, Germany (9/13/78)
Rockaway Beach
Teenage Lobotomy
Blitzkrieg Bop
Don't Come Close
I Don't Care
She's The One
Sheena Is A Punk Rocker
Cretin Hop
Listen To My Heart
I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You
Pinhead

The Old Grey Whistle Test London (9/19/78)
Don't Come Close
She's The One
Go Mental

Top of the Pops London (9/28/78)
Don't Come Close

Oakland, CA (12/28/78)
I'm Against It
Needles And Pins

San Francisco Civic Center, S.F., CA (6/9/79)
I Want You Around
I'm Affected
California Sun

The Old Grey Whistle Test London (1/15/79
Rock 'N' Roll High School
Do You Remember Rock 'N' Roll Radio?

Top of the Pops London (1/31/80)
Baby I Love You

Sha Na Na L.A., CA (5/19/80)
Rock 'N' Roll High School

Mandagsborsen Stockholm, Sweden (10/26/81)
We Want The Airwaves

TVE Musical Express Madrid, Spain (11/17/81)
This Business Is Killing Me
All Quiet On The Eastern Front

US Festival San Bernardino, CA (9/3/82)
Do You Remember Rock 'N' Roll Radio?
Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment
Rock 'N' Roll High School
I Wanna Be Sedated
Beat On The Brat
The KKK Took My Baby Away
Here Today, Gone Tomorrow
Chinese Rocks
Teenage Lobotomy

The Old Grey Whistle Test London (2/26/85)
Wart Hog
Chasing The Night

Obras Sanitarias, Buenos Aires, Argentina (2/3/87)
Blitzkrieg Bop
Freak Of Nature
Crummy Stuff
Love Kills
I Don't Care
Too Tough To Die
Mama's Boy

Provinssirock Festival, Seinäjoki, Finland (6/4/88)
I Don't Want You Anymore
Weasel Face
Garden Of Serenity
I Just Want To Have Something To Do
Surfin' Bird
Cretin Hop
Somebody Put Something In My Drink
We're A Happy Family

R.I.T., Rochester, NY (10/8/88)
Do You Remember Rock 'N' Roll Radio
Wart Hog

Rolling Stone Club Milan, Italy (3/16/92)
Psycho Therapy
I Believe In Miracles
I Wanna Live
My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down (Bonzo Goes To Bitburg)
Pet Sematary
Animal Boy
Pinhead

Top of the Pops London (6/29/95)
I Don't Wanna Grow Up

River Plate Stadium, Buenos Aires, Argentina (3/16/96)
I Wanna Be Sedated
R.A.M.O.N.E.S.
Blitzkrieg Bop

(also, LOL at those reviewers going on about this without looking up the tracklist)

Oof -- might have to pick this up.

wow, overkill but I gotta have it. love dr. c on this thread, can't believe i never read it before.

R.I.T., Rochester, NY (10/8/88)

hmm. i saw them there in may of either '88 or '89. but given their touring at the time i guess maybe they played there twice in a year.

OMG hello birthday present!

The Dr. C breakdown of Ramones songcraft upthread just splattered my mind on the wall. So perfect.

Agreed. But the fact that he had to even MAKE that point makes me sad and frustrated. I'm all for skewering the sacred cows, but c'mon - how can anyone NOT like the fucking Ramones?? Possibly the most classic-est band evah!!! Upthread, all I see is more ILX Contrarian Rally nonsense...

"Tell me son, what is minimalism?"

Ramones are a band that always sound tremendous when I'm out somewhere, but never feel the urge to listen to at home.

They're a sort of necessary blast of rudeness. But not when I'm in a comfy chair.....

Does anyone have this yet? I ordered it online, expecting it any day now.

It's here! The box is very pink.

http://www.ramonesitsalivedvd.com/

I picked it up but it's a present for my brother-in-law so I haven't opened it. Looks really great, and my local record store has it on sale this week for $11 so I might just buy a copy for myself.

Just got it. I started with the archives, but I've gotta go to bed sometime so I used the handy menu to go straight to the 12/31/77 show.

95% of the first disc and the tracks I like on the second one = ULTRA CLASSIC.

Second disc gets progressively more painful to watch. Especially Joey. And Marky's hair.

Finished the New Years '77 show and went on to the second DVD. This first thing from Bremenpalast or whatever is really good. But yeah, I'm afraid of what is to come.

Looking forward to more Road To Ruin stuff, though.

I vote dud. I don't give bands any credit for being "influential," so they don't score points with me there. I just never feel like listening to those albums. Nobody I have ever known likes to play those albums. I find the music average at best, and the singing to be a real downer. Yeah, I guess I find the singing to be a big buzz kill. That said, I don't hate them that much, and maybe I even like 5-10 songs. I just find them closer to dud than to classic.

You can't hate "It's Alive" the album though, or can you?

I don't hate the Ramones. I think I just like them best in small doses. Classic radio should play them a bit more. I never hear them played.

Those first three albums ALWAYS SOUND AMAZING. Doesn't matter where you are, what you're doing, or how you feel. They fucking rule. How many albums in rock history can you say that about?

Bought the DVD but haven't had time to watch...can't wait!

Great songwriters. A pity all of the arrangements on those first albums sound exactly the same though.

The Ramones are one of those "I can't trust the opinions of someone who doesn't like them" bands.

I like all their albums, even 'Halfway to Sanity' (search: "Go L'il Camaro Go"), and they def. had a quality surge at the end.

The Rainbow performance is so nostalgic on the DVD. I wasn't there, but it captures exactly how I remember how people looked in '77: the full cliche punk look, people wearing school ties and having the non-punk shortened fringe look, people with 70s long hair attending punk gigs.

And Joey look so vulnerable when he punches the air, moves around, or even just having trouble keeping up with the music at some points.

How can a guy calling himself "Nicky Lo-Fi" not dig the Ramones 200%?

Why don't "classic rock" stations ever play the Ramones? God knows they're old and classic enough. Q-104.3 in the NJ/NYC area still plays the same friggin Pink Floyd and Eagles crap they've been playing the past 15 years. No wonder radio's a rotting corpse.

unrelated, I just hacked my iPod Touch to get internet radio.

love

I'm going to have to give "It's Alive" another listen because frankly I don't understand all the love for it here (compared to their studio stuff, that is).

Apparently CJ is on Facebook - here's him and his son.

I feel like people underestimate the ability of pro musicians to switch between styles, CJ had a fast right hand for downstrokes and knew how to be in a professional touring band

I just read Richie's book, which isn't particularly revelatory or anything but he does a good job of explaining technical aspects of the Ramones' music and how deceptively difficult it is to play.

Johnny's right hand is legendary

Dealing with Joey & Johnny on tour being basically the only way to train for dealing with James & Lars on tour

So I should finally listen to TOO TOUGH TO DIE and ADIOS AMIGOS?

― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, July 10, 2024 11:35 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Too Tough to Die is great, Adios is not, album cover aside

So I should finally listen to TOO TOUGH TO DIE and ADIOS AMIGOS?

Absolutely listen to Too Tough to Die. It's one of their heaviest albums, but still punk, not metal. The mix is great; Joey's up front, and the drums are really big.

Pleasant Dreams is a not-bad power-pop album, not really any weaker than the previous record.

I stand corrected re: CJ!

Who needs Christgau with insights like these:

Dee Dee and I wrote “Weasel Face” about a guy who had a real weasel face.

Lol

I didn't know much at all about CJ before but really enjoyed reading that. Had the same initial thought about Metallica but UMS otm. Feel like Ramones music would be super-fatiguing for a normal musician without some kind of rethinking, retraining. There's no let up, no release, no break in the rhythm as in most "regular" music. It's like when actors freeze but they supposedly still have to make tiny little invisible motions so they can keep up the statue impersonation.

https://i.postimg.cc/RCfXhrVm/Screen-Shot-2024-07-11-at-10-33-54-AM.png

also, let's be honest, if you can cut the mustard in Guitar Pete's Axe Attack, any other band is a layup

https://i.postimg.cc/RCfXhrVm/Screen-Shot-2024-07-11-at-10-33-54-AM.png

Lol

Wait TTtD has a cover of "Street Fighting Man"?

Gonna listen but really the only latterday Ramones song I've ever had time for over the decades is "Pet Sematary." I have no idea what album that's even on, if any.

"Street Fighting Man" wasn't on the original album but was a UK-only B-side.

https://www.discogs.com/master/229965-Ramones-Chasing-The-Night-Howling-At-The-Moon-Sha-La-La

Okay, this sounds okay and maybe like something else a little bit. Motörhead, maybe

i love "pet sematary" so much

"Street Fighting Man" wasn't on the original album but was a UK-only B-side.

https://www.discogs.com/master/229965-Ramones-Chasing-The-Night-Howling-At-The-Moon-Sha-La-La🕸

Despite being a fan I don’t think I appreciated what a great vocalist Joey was until recently. Does he get credit for inventing the now-ubiquitous pop-punk vocal style?

kind of a mix of him and milo from the descendents

Oh right. Silly girlme.

Feel like Ramones music would be super-fatiguing for a normal musician without some kind of rethinking, retraining. There's no let up, no release, no break in the rhythm as in most "regular" music. It's like when actors freeze but they supposedly still have to make tiny little invisible motions so they can keep up the statue impersonation.

I think the best example of this is when Clem Burke "Elvis Ramone" was the drummer for a couple of shows. His style is so different and trying to fit in often sounds like a car that can't shift into fourth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXWSyo0aPnc