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Jesus Jones? meep?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 March 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

the gmex video is good yea, i also have a vinyl bootleg of them live at bradford st georges hall in 89, which i am hoping to mp3 soon. it is a lot better than the official live album which was a bit poor really

― gareth, still waiting for mary to get ready:( (Mary), Thursday, 13 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

but there was the unofficial/official baby big head bootleg that was (factory ?) released to record shops. kinda like 'santa monica 72' was bowie style. also 'bummed' is f*ckin ace. unlike any album ever produced before or since. all trax so different but all have that *amazing* woozy M. HANNET production sound.

'well i'm a simple city boy with stu-pid country taste...'

― piscesboy, Thursday, 13 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked the Jesus Jones albums more than the Happy Mondays albums, but the Happy Mondays singles were much better (from that era/genre, I think only The Charlatans can compete, along with "I Wanna Be Adored").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 March 2003 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus Jones were really quite different from the baggy bands tho - why are they being lumped in with the Madchester lot?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Because to many outside of the UK who weren't living the scene, they went along with the baggies (EMF and The Farm also fall into this group).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

the idea of jesus jones being anywhere close (except, you know, geographical proximity) to the mondays gives me headache

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 March 2003 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I hated Jesus Jones and am frankly mystified that they would be considered in the same breath as Happy Mondays. They were just bad.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...

the idea of jesus jones being anywhere close to the mondays still gives me a headache

also, junior senior ha ha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

dear lord

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 15 August 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

pills n thrills is just one of those records that keeps on giving as i and it age, respectively.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

the jukebox at the bar I go to got pills n thrills on it a few months back and I wore it out. I still prefer bummed somehow though.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 15 August 2003 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't heard it in forever (my tape got eaten by my old car [RIP])...to slsk i'ma goin

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - embarassing moment of my adolescence #23781: my dad picking up me and a couple of friends after a movie, me putting this in the cassette player, and my dad going "is this eurythmics? this sounds like eurythmics"

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 15 August 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

At the moment I'm thinking the Madchester EP was the pinnacle of their bright, sloppy sound.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 15 August 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I knew where my Madchester EP was.

For some unknown fate-tempting reason Pills'N'Thrills... was the first record Isabel and I listened to after we decided to get married.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 15 August 2003 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

yall aren't honeymooning in barbados are ya?

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 15 August 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

When people say Shaun Ryder is a great lyricist, do they mean he writes great lyrics? Surely they mean something else?

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

great meaning large or immense! we mean it in the perjorative sense!

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

is it true that Bez has been joining The Rapture onstage at recent UK gigs?

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount, that was funny.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

madness!

CD80 'portable' Mondays go!

24 Hour Party People
Wrote for Luck
Mad Cyril
Brain Dead
Do It Better
Lazyitis
WFL (Oakenfold mix)
Hallelujah (radio mix)
Clap Your Hands
Holy Ghost
Rave On
Hallelujah (Oakenfold club mix)
Step On
Kinky Afro
God's Cop
Loose Fit
Bob's Yer Uncle
Stinkin' Thinkin'

(vaguely chronological, would like to have had 'Freaky Dancing' but it's just so cool to start it with 'Party People' and had to fit those remixes, 81:22 overburn!)

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

you could always jettison Clap Your Hands in favour of Freaky Dancing. and where's Tart Tart dude! oh man 80 minutes really is never enough sometimes

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer, you always pick a great closer! God bless you!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Or maybe I just have a thing for the bloated, dodgy end of a band's career, I don't know.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i would lose 24 hour party people, one of their very few bad tracks

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

step on would make a great lead off if you dare to resequence.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

my 'portables' are meant to be generally chronological surveys of my favorite tracks by a single artist. I actually hate single artist compilations that aren't chronological! (nb - I majored in history...)

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

well... who else can we expect spencer?

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

more are on the way!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Wrote For Luck and the Oakenfold mix of Write for Luck? Aren't those the same song? Which is the one on Bummed?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 7 November 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

depends on which Bummed you have... they're pretty different.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

are the happy mondays going to be re-appraised through a post-punk filter? will this increase their stock in america? is squirrel and g-man a postpunk record? is 87 too late for that? ive always thought of it as an island apart, but perhaps it is closer to postpunk than i had thought, i dont know, i dont like postpunk very much (unless the fall count)

or, to put it another way, are the happy mondays poised to undergo a revival, but with angular punkfunk 86-88 incarnation being the feted?

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 18 April 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The Mondays will almost certainly undergo a revival of some sort. They're too good and too weird not to. If you allow for the standard 20-year cycle, it'll come somewhere toward the end of this decade. (One interesting thing about the coverage of the 24 Hour... movie was that it tended to focus on the first half -- the Joy Division years -- with a lot of reviews I read positing Tony Wilson's enthusiasm for the Mondays as part of his drug-addled decline. Which is not at all how the movie plays it, really -- I mean, it's named after a Mondays song -- but it came out too early to be part of a Mondays reassessment.)

― spittle (spittle), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I was listening to 24 Hour (the album) the other week -- had forgotten how *short* it was!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

That recent reformation wasn't too good for the mystique ('The Boys Are Back In Town', indeed). And the fashion - day-glo T-shirts, awful flares - is nowhere near as attractive to the hipster contingent as all the skinny-fit post-punk stuff. So I'd say no revival, at least not for the time being. Of course, there's always the possibility that the next Mondays retrospective could be of the post-mortem variety, and judging by the state of Shaun recently, that's sadly by no means a remote proposition.

― Jason J, Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

*correction*, upthread I mistakenly attribute a funny to Blount (who *is* usually funny), when in fact I meant esoj!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost, there's something very un-ironic about the Mondays. I've always felt their music was part of the same high-modern project as New Order. Despite relying on old grooves, they were used, 'futuristically'.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost, esoj *is* usually funny too!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

but they werent dayglo in 87. look at the photos from this era, and its murky mancunian rainy b&w, it could actually fit in very easily

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I was re-reading Swells interview with them and thought that it made interesting reading. I think he pushed Shaun pretty hard on the gay question. At first Shaun says he's not homophobic/ meets and works with gay people etc and then after much pushing he says "look I'm not a rent boy and I find sucking dick disgusting". I'm not so sure what was so offensive about it to be honest, it's like Swells just wanted a story.

His attempts at making him look evil for editing Penthouse seem a bit misguided too. Especially considering the fact Swells was last seen drooling over Daphne and Celeste.

― CRW (CRW), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

but they werent dayglo in 87. look at the photos from this era, and its murky mancunian rainy b&w, it could actually fit in very easily

Granted - I mean, you can totally hear the Hannett production on Squirrel and G-Man, and consequently it's not so hard to trace back a thread to, say, early New Order or the Stockholm Monsters or whatever. But I think it's very much *because* the Mondays were very forward-thinking - that even on their early records they quite clearly pre-empted the spirit of acid-house (intentionally or not) - that they don't really fit too comfortably into the retrospective post-punk package.

Also, I don't think they've really dated that well.

― Jason J, Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Squirrel and G-Man was produced by John Cale. I've never owned it, for some reason.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Squirrel and G-Man was produced by John Cale.

Doh, you're right. It was Hallelujah and Bummed wot were done by Hannett. So what was Cale's production like? I'll have to dig the record out and listen.

― Jason J, Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they have dated very well indeed, though the earlier stuff better than the later (the production on pills'n'thrills sounds very dated, though the album is still good)

i think cales production was sort of scratchy and light, compared to the dense foggyness of hannetts bummed

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 18 April 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i've been listening to lots of pre-Bummed HMs lately and enjoying it way more than i did at the time. "kuff dam" is sounding remarkably fresh to me right now.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

at the time of release, that is

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking as a Hannett fanatic, and also as a Mondays fan, it's strange that the combination of the two on Bummed really didn't work very well, IMO. I'll take the first album and Pills n Thrills. When the first album came out, I thought they sounded a lot like The Fall!

― bimble (bimble), Monday, 19 April 2004 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

you don't like the production? curious indeed.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 19 April 2004 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i listened to 'Bummed' for the first time ever the other week

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 19 April 2004 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

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Also both lead singers got deserved shit for anti-gay stupidity.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:32 (five years ago)

Bez's autobiography "Freaky Dancin'" is a pretty worthwhile read, you come away from it marveling that none of them died or got arrested in the process. reminds me a bit of Trainspotting where it does kind of glamorize the fun bits & makes you understand *why* these guys fucked their brains up so often but ultimately it seemed to be a pretty miserable existence. Bez seems like a nice but super unreliable dude, Ryder on the other hand I wouldn't leave a pet goldfish with

― frogbs, Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:53 (five years ago)

one year passes...

R.I.P. Paul Ryder

The Ryder family and Happy Mondays band members are deeply saddened and shocked to say that Paul Ryder passed away this morning

A true pioneer and legend. He will be forever missed ❤️

We thank you for respecting the privacy of all concerned at this time.

Long live his funk x pic.twitter.com/E8e7x4Tvcw
— Shaun Ryder (@officialswr) July 15, 2022

― peace, man, Friday, 15 July 2022 14:58 (three years ago)

awful news, he was the backbone of the group (a cliché but a true one here)

― Sudden Birdnet Thus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 July 2022 15:03 (three years ago)

Oh no. His bass playing on the first album is soooooo good.

― Tom D: I was in the army (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2022 15:12 (three years ago)

listening to this again, the bassline is the song, everything else is dressing on top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zWpHxfQvtk

― Sudden Birdnet Thus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 July 2022 15:18 (three years ago)

ah damn RIP - completely makes that early sound, just keeps driving through the swamp

― woof, Friday, 15 July 2022 16:17 (three years ago)

well this sucks

― bury my heart in wounded kieth (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 July 2022 16:21 (three years ago)

RIB

― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 15 July 2022 16:49 (three years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvQZ3rwvBho

"tart tart" (1987)

rest well. hope he found something better.

― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 15 July 2022 18:59 (three years ago)

'Loose Fit' is the tune of theirs I have listened to a bunch in the past few years, such a hypnotic groove.

― earlnash, Friday, 15 July 2022 20:47 (three years ago)

RIP, for sure the engine of their whole sound and vibe.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 15 July 2022 23:05 (three years ago)

RIP and at first I thought it was Shaun but still sad nonetheless

― Bee OK, Friday, 15 July 2022 23:08 (three years ago)

so good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m79WvFAWOqw

― Bee OK, Saturday, 16 July 2022 00:53 (three years ago)

RIP.

Enjoyed this piece from last year on the Mondays and their reception/influence in the US:

https://zacharylipez.ghost.io/21st-century-party-people-whatever-the-opposite-of-anxiety-of-happy-mondays-influence-is/

― etc, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 21:32 (three years ago)

three months pass...

https://www.stereogum.com/2203860/happy-mondays-us-shows-pills-n-thrills-bellyaches/news/

Happy Mondays Announce First US Shows In 14 Years, Playing Pills ‘N’ Thrills And Bellyaches In Full

One will take place at Terminal 5 in New York City on March 25, with a special guest that’s to be announced. And then on March 28, they’ll play at the Belasco Theatre in Los Angeles with special guest Paul Oakenfold.

― Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 04:41 (three years ago)

I think I will need to go to the Los Angeles show.

― Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 04:41 (three years ago)

When I saw this tour in 1990 at the Hollywood Palladium I took Ecstasy for the very first time. Not sure who was more fucked up, the band or me and my friends.

― Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 04:52 (three years ago)

I also saw them on this tour, in Newark, and was on nothing but beer because we had to drive 5 hours back to State College afterward. It was an OK show, sort of sloppy and pretty short. They'll miss Paul this time around, but it's honestly pretty impressive that enough of them are still alive to reunite.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 12:30 (three years ago)

Some people are just hard to kill.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 13:03 (three years ago)

ten months pass...

important new info re:melon twisting

💥 Ever wondered where Shaun got the lines “You’re Twistin’ My Melon Man” & “You know you talk so hip” for ‘Step On’ from???

🎥 Here’s a clip of the brilliant doc: ‘Steve McQueen: Man On The Edge’ | The Hollywood Collection#happymondays #stepon #stevemcqueen #melon pic.twitter.com/7LIApOJpwY
— Rowetta🎙 (@Rowetta) September 8, 2023

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 9 September 2023 16:56 (two years ago)

whoa

― brimstead, Saturday, 9 September 2023 17:01 (two years ago)

Awesome.

― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 September 2023 17:03 (two years ago)

that's why I pay my internet provider

― fpsa, Saturday, 9 September 2023 18:45 (two years ago)

Call the cops!

― three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Saturday, 9 September 2023 19:17 (two years ago)

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