ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

ok?

no one i listen to drops as many fbombs or references to raping as tyler, though, so im fairly comfortable with my decisions

he also calls his fans faggots and calls the rest of odd future faggots. he uses the word faggot a lot, but it's definitely not always angry. whether that changes anything is up for debate, i guess.

i'd feel pretty self-conscious about listening to M.O.P. in front of a kidnapping victim

i'd rather dude called me anything than threw a frosty at me quite frankly
that shit stains respectable clothing

oh man, plz to examples of 'murderous thugs'

you're really gonna suggest that no pop artist has ever capitalized on the romance of crime, even murder? that no one has ever promoted the idea that they're a bad man who does bad things, and that there's something impressive about that? come the fuck on.

i'd feel pretty self-conscious about listening to M.O.P. in front of a kidnapping victim

― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:43 AM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

btw, get one 4chan, as tyler clearly has and submerse yourself in that world of newfags and oldfags and trollfags and you can get a sense of how it must seem weird to him that people find this objectionable

you're really gonna suggest that no pop artist has ever capitalized on the romance of crime, even murder? that no one has ever promoted the idea that they're a bad man who does bad things, and that there's something impressive about that? come the fuck on.

― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:44 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah its so bad and terrible and not totally fucking awesome that people do that

this sopranos show is just like listening to Beenie Man say he wants to exterminate the gays

yeah its so bad and terrible and not totally fucking awesome that people do that

surely debatable on a moral level, though we've collectively decided to be okay with it (me too! shit IS awesome!)

you're really gonna suggest that no pop artist has ever capitalized on the romance of crime, even murder? that no one has ever promoted the idea that they're a bad man who does bad things, and that there's something impressive about that? come the fuck on.

― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:44 AM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i like westerns that have gunfights & gun battles
but id be a bit put off if there was a graphic rape scene & it would prob make me very uncomfortable
not saying it couldnt be done to make a point, but tyler isnt sergio leone or ennio morricone

xp thats' not apologizing for tyler or justifying anything; it's just cromagnon online youth culture fucking with words and he happens to be part of it
some future president is almost certainly drawing dicks on some passed out guy's face now
2012 can't get here fast enough
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this sopranos show is just like listening to Beenie Man say he wants to exterminate the gays

okay, wait. i'm talking specifically about artists who deliberately strive to create the impression that their tales of crime & murder are really real and who cultivate a romantic mystique around their supposed misdeeds. you know, like jean genet...

hey guys can we fit Vincent Gallo in here

so basically, you are scared of convincing performances xp

forks, i think a huge part of 4chan/Vice culture is that this generation of teenagers is more accepting of gays than any generation before it, honestly. to a lot of them, "faggot" is some outdated slur used to piss off old squares

yeah and that logic is idiotic

i like westerns that have gunfights & gun battles

far as i know, no star of westerns ever staked his badass arep on having shot or beaten people just for fun

johnny cash, otoh...

so basically, you are scared of convincing performances xp

― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

all musicians are simply performers enacting "creative" narratives, none of it is ever real at all, ever? no one means it and no one doesn't?

bullshit. some performers work hard to ensure that their claims about themselves are taken seriously. others do not. that we notice this doesn't make us "scared" of anything. your insinuation is depressing, though predictable. thanks, man.

xp whiney yeah and that's kinda the same shizz tyler is on: i only call you faggot cuz it pisses you off and only faggots get pissed off by that
his tumblr has them calling each other faggots in a way that feels interchangeable with bro
i dunno, i've always been a fan of the old lenny bruce principal of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOnkv76rNL4

hoffman is such a shitty lenny

when you get older and a little smarter you realize that saying things to upset people is a pointless end game or you become a full time asshole; just not sure at what age you get to still have that coin still flipping.... 21?

far as i know, no star of westerns ever staked his badass arep on having shot or beaten people just for fun

johnny cash, otoh...

― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:55 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who are you talking about

fair question

forks, it took me until i was 24 or 25 :(

i think its possible to say that tyler doesn't mean it and is a product of 4chan's world of young people and still think his lyrical content is ugly and corrosive and even then still like listening to his music

http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/batman-the-joker.jpg

t-b; contenderizer, deej

i'm reading deej posts in raspy batman voice now

deej is heath ledger duh

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2008/07/02/joker460.jpg

so basically, you are scared of convincing performances?

forks, i think a huge part of 4chan/Vice culture is that this generation of teenagers is more accepting of gays than any generation before it, honestly. to a lot of them, "faggot" is some outdated slur used to piss off old squares

actual gay men and women get beaten and raped and excluded from privileges that straight society enjoys without even having to think about it, so how "4chan/Vice culture" feels about old squares doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference, straight people using hateful language is unacceptable because it perpetuates a tradition of exclusion & you know this & to pretend that this or that heteronormative subculture can front like it's "beyond" all that is bullshit.

WHY SO SERIOUSCAT.PJG

think u overshot like two levels above whiney's point xp

actual gay men and women get beaten and raped and excluded from privileges that straight society enjoys without even having to think about it, so how "4chan/Vice culture" feels about old squares doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference, straight people using hateful language is unacceptable because it perpetuates a tradition of exclusion & you know this & to pretend that this or that heteronormative subculture can front like it's "beyond" all that is bullshit.

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, no fucking doy doy, aero. i assumed we all knew that here. i'm not saying tyler's thinking is RIGHT. of course it's unenlightended and ridiculous and bigoted total bullshit. i'm saying this is a reason why a 19 year old in 2011 thinks a little differently than the thirtysomething message board posters picking him apart.

WHY SO SERIOUSCAT.PJG

― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lmao

http://www.graphics18.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/why-so-serious-serious-cat.jpg

sorry y'all it is not news to anybody that I get really overworked about this stuff

eh it's more valuable than the 40th anthropological explanation for why exactly tyler's a dickhead.

let me just take you back in time to that 1989 day when young underrated a bought NWA's Express Yourself 12", grooved hard behind the track, and was by late afternoon seething with conflicted liberal angst over the b-side, "A Bitch Iz A Bitch"

"and that's why i don't even eat strawberries anymore"

i'm amazed and kind of disappointed by all the focus on tyler's homophobic language itt. disappointed by everyone who wants to make it Big Important Issue Number One. relative to tyler's violent misogyny, it's trivial, hardly worth mentioning. that he throws around the word "faggot" may be offensive, but it's nothing compared to goblin's pervasive, ugly and often vicious debasement of women ("bitches", what have you).

there's a massive hypocrisy at work in anyone who finds cause for offense in a few homophobic slurs but not in the ENDLESS jokes about raping and murdering women. i wonder whether people are channeling so much aggression into the former to avoid having to confront the latter.

well personally the fact that i'm fucking tired of both of them is why i won't be buying goblin

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p sure everyone that's registered any kind of discomfort with his use of the word 'faggot' isn't like well yeah all the rape stuff is fine

like i think ppl who put two creams & two sugars in their coffee are gross but lately ive been putting like three creams one sugar :/

p sure everyone that's registered any kind of discomfort with his use of the word 'faggot' isn't like well yeah all the rape stuff is fine

sure, but that's only part of it. as hate speech goes, "faggot" = "bitch". but we've been getting an awful lot of mileage out of disapproving of only one of those two words over the last couple hundred posts. and the words themselves are nearly irrelevant relative to the sentiments they're used to express. there's basically no overt homophobia on this record. tyler even subverts his own use of the word. "faggot," repeatedly. but the misogyny (which is by no means limited to rape jokes) seems to be getting a pass.

i think maybe everyone is just tuckered out

probably for the best

yeah, its so new and novel and interesting that a rapper says "bitch" a lot; lets talk about that for 100 posts

that sentiment can basically be applied to this whole thread

saying "faggot" is hardly new, novel or interesting whiney, and some folks seem perfectly happy to wax outraged about that