ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

it's er it's pretty long, is what it is

what is with critics' burning desire to justify this dude's stuff -- its like theyre worried if they dare to say something against it the entire critical apparatus will disintegrate or they'll be consigned as contrarian trying-to-hards

― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:40 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

too not to

― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:40 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this is a really disingenuous thing to say just fyi

also lex the guy from XL gets off on it cuz it makes him a profit

anyway what rich's post said is what a few of us (including me) said months ago about his use of 'faggot'

the funny thing to me is that either one of two things are going to happen (assuming that ppl are still paying attention to tyler/OF in 5 years): he's gonna grow up and continue saying faggot incessantly and a lot of critics are going to turn on him or he's gonna realize that it's ridiculous/stupid (or worse) and everyone gets to say "told ya so" -- so he's pretty much in a lose-lose situation

Some one do a cntrl F and see how many times we said "disingenuous" in this thread

not really, the beasties handled it well and people seemed to respond to it well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvRc7pwnt0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn7IPP2bc5c

some dude wrote this on thread ILM'S TOP 77 ALBUMS of 2010 on board I Love Music on Feb 2, 2011

sometimes i feel like Burzum exists purely to be used as an example or conversation point in ILM threads

ha

yeah dude have you heard that shit? it's not for listening

Some one do a cntrl F and see how many times we said "disingenuous" in this thread

lol i said it in response to the exact same deej post

thing is it's kind of bullshit for some defenders/press to say 'oh but he's only 19, we all did stuff like that or said stupid shit when we were that age', because i know i thought people saying faggot was bullshit from when i was 13 or younger, same for anyone making retarded rape jokes. "oh those crazy Odd Future kids, they'll grow up soon enough!" ... when exactly? "oh we all had rape fantasies when we were lonely teenagers, don't you remember?" oh, okay. sorry no I don't remember.

some dude wrote this on thread ILM'S TOP 77 ALBUMS of 2010 on board I Love Music on Feb 2, 2011

sometimes i feel like Burzum exists purely to be used as an example or conversation point in ILM threads
--contenderoni (some dude)

I will not be metal deej
I will not be metal deej
I will not be metal deej
I will not be metal deej

i know people like and respect his music -- but i mean i swear to god his name crops up in EVERY thread about any musician with objectionable beliefs ever

Jamie, yr right that that's a bullshit DEFENSE of Ofwgkta, but integral in UNDERSTANDING them and they're appeal. Lots of grown nerds spent their teenage years watching gore, listening to metal, reading Answer Me! and saying shit that would make Tyler barf

lol picturing 'metal deej'

Robo-challops

lol first burzum mention in this thread was by contenderizer 8 months ago

Lots of grown nerds spent their teenage years watching gore, listening to metal, reading Answer Me! and saying shit that would make Tyler barf

want to raise my hand here, but man, i never could hang with answer me

lol first burzum mention in this thread was by contenderizer 8 months ago

gah, really?!? shoot me now.

i dont even know what that is

damn, sd's right:

i like this shit a lot, but dunno quite how to process the wtf harsh misogyny (lolz joeks) angle. like, i sold my burzum records because i didn't want to have those ideas fucking up my apartment.

I AM TO BLAME

i did read answer me and i did totally cringe the last time i saw an issue. ever since i had kids i don't even really want to watch horror movies like i used to. so, my juvenilia remains music, i guess. oh, and the acres of porn in my secret porn room that is behind a fake bookcase at home.

what is with critics' burning desire to justify this dude's stuff -- its like theyre worried if they dare to say something against it the entire critical apparatus will disintegrate or they'll be consigned as contrarian trying-to-hards

― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:40 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

too not to

― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:40 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this is a really disingenuous thing to say just fyi

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:50 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i responded to that criticism already, read thread

it's still kinda d-word tho

i dont think im being deceptive there; i explained my motives for preferring that assumption to the alternative, what more do u want from me?

cash

5000th and 5001st posts on this thread are gonna be some variation on "why people odd future?" and "i like them but it hurts meeeeeeeeeeee!"

right?

the thing is burzum is almost a perfect point of comparison precisely because there are plenty of nazi metal bands who everybody can take or leave but burzum makes such blazing metal that it's hard to ignore, and from what I gather no-one would give a shit about odd future's homophobia and misogyny if they weren't making really interesting music

yeah, if they sucked i wouldn't bother. that's a given.

well also there's the fact that, as far as i know, burzum's music contains zero offensive content---all that is extracurricular. which is why its easier for me personally to rationalize listening to dude's records. with OF (and countless other 'controversial' or 'problematic' artists) the objectionable stuff is front and center, and you can like sing along to it if you want.

listening to people justify what they listen to in the privacy of their own home is so hilarious and unnecessary. there's not a song on earth that i have to do psychic backflips to justify enjoying. if someone is a loathsome person, i make that decision with my wallet, not my ears

its true you have to be told about burzum or read something about him. you have to know his history. but his history is definitely part of the "charm" for a lot of people.

there was one guy who came in my store when i started playing tyler after i got back from the lame cd store and he said "this is interesting. what is this? there's a lot going on in the background." then he took off.

listening to people justify what they listen to in the privacy of their own home is so hilarious and unnecessary. there's not a song on earth that i have to do psychic backflips to justify enjoying. if someone is a loathsome person, i make that decision with my wallet, not my ears

well, but you can understand how another perspective is "it makes a difference what sort of stuff I choose to engage" - right? I think the argument that what you choose to take private pleasure in eventually informs/effects what kind of person you are isn't really such a hard case to make

i'd definitely use it as a scatter gun at the store if people i don't like come in.

the thing is burzum is almost a perfect point of comparison precisely because there are plenty of nazi metal bands who everybody can take or leave but burzum makes such blazing metal that it's hard to ignore, and from what I gather no-one would give a shit about odd future's homophobia and misogyny if they weren't making really interesting music

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:14 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i totally get that. but i swear i have seen Burzum invoked on at least a hundred non-Burzum non-metal threads over the years, rarely as anything but a quick shorthand for "hey sometimes nazis make good music!" and at this point it feels like a wearying, useless detour that's inevitable in any discussion about the offensive views or actions of any musician ever.

well yeah

well, but you can understand how another perspective is "it makes a difference what sort of stuff I choose to engage" - right? I think the argument that what you choose to take private pleasure in eventually informs/effects what kind of person you are isn't really such a hard case to make

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:25 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cool, aero, i better put down these VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES too before i go on a shooting spree

I feel you but if we said "what about drudkh" everybody'd just stare at us blankly

i was playing some rap thing at the store one day - can't remember what - and some old dude said to his friend that he felt like he was being aurally raped and that he had to leave. and then he left.

sometimes i feel like Burzum exists purely to be used as an example or conversation point in ILM threads

― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:23 PM Bookmark

lol first burzum mention in this thread was by contenderizer 8 months ago

― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:43 PM

compare w/

BURZUM (BM Godwin's Law).

― contenderizer, Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:14 (2 years ago)

(from art for art-metallers thread)

should've been ILM godwin's law

Whiney you're kinda, forgive me, too old to not be able to draw the distinction between "playing violent video games will make you violent" and "a steady diet of hateful art may have an effect on you as a person"

I feel you but if we said "what about drudkh" everybody'd just stare at us blankly

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:27 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

or you could come up with a new argument. Burzum records are corny as fucking shit too. Like 80% of the time his name is invoked my non-metalheads its on some "David Allen Coe has a song with the n-word huh huh huh" bullshit

haha i was gonna say something about how there should be a Godwin's Law for Burzum on ILM

should've been ILM godwin's law

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:28 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark

otm

whiney chill for christ's sake we're having a fun discussion here not sniping all aggro, maybe listen to less tyler the creator or something

chicken/egg haha

since the burzum thing seems to have legs...

as far as i know, burzum's music contains zero offensive content---all that is extracurricular. which is why its easier for me personally to rationalize listening to dude's records. with OF (and countless other 'controversial' or 'problematic' artists) the objectionable stuff is front and center

which, perversely, makes it easier for me to accommodate. relative to the likes of burzum, OF's transgressions seem superficial and basically meaningless, like scenes in a gross-out horror movie. that's not to give them a pass, but varg's philosophies are presented in all seriousness and have evident real-world consequences and followers. this makes it MUCH harder for me to give any kind of burzum support a pass - at least in the present moment, while the artist is still alive and his legacy up for grabs.

like if tyler was in jail for domestic violence and expressing his theories on rape as the ultimate expression of oppressed masculinity, i'm sure i'd feel very differently about his art. calling jim goad...

give him a few years