ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

yeah he definitely knows all about all that indie shit.

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would like to read an interview where he talks about what he listens/listened to. is there one?

you dont think effortlessly combining all these disparate hip-hop and punk rock and indie rock sub-movements into something cohesive counts as innovative?

― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:48 (4 minutes ago) Permalink

not particularly so, certainly not to the extent being bandied about by the guardian. also, 'effortlessly,' is that like stacking-the-deck rock critic buzzword or what

i understand 'effortless' when used to describe specific techniques, but not for big high-concept 'blending of influences' ish like that.

yeah that list was definitely intended as a complete and exhaustive list to Odd Future's influences. YOU SURE GOT ME

whiney if you could direct me to what i apparently couldn't read then, i'd appreciate it

"faux-indie" is a strange construction in this context

simply being original can be pretty small-scale innovative anyway. dj quik is original, for sure, and his new record combines a bunch of different styles, but i wouldnt call it 'innovative' in the big-picture sense either

i understand 'effortless' when used to describe specific techniques, but not for big high-concept 'blending of influences' ish like that.

no, it makes sense. the effort shows when people try to mash together hip or "interesting" influences without a sense of personal/organic cohesion. buy whiney's description cuz the seams don't show in tyler's work, it's his style, and it seems of a piece.

the other aesthetic thread I pick up from tyler is the childhood innocence laced w/ weirder darker stuff, like he's trying to triangulate some lightning bolt / adventure time axis

maybe this is purely accidental... or maybe it's a clue...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/OFWGxTLET-6.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/mindflayer.jpg

well, i mean the obvious question is who else can do it, D40? I mean, I can see it a little bit in the indie-fueled stuff Cage and El-P were doing at the end of the 00s--(esp "I'll Sleep When Yr Dead" and "Hell's Winter"); but there's still elements of Sid Viciousness and contemporary witchwave and Pharrell (and yes, fashion and Tumblr) that those cats weren't touching

And I say "effortless" because it doesnt seem like a forced mashup like Th Corn Gangg or whatever

this album is fucking amazing.

expectations have been exceeded.

don't really need lightning bolt in there now that paper rad's on cartoon network, but yeah, OTM

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http://i.imgur.com/cgWqf.png

ok so the punk rock component is vague "elements of Sid Viciousness," not any actual audible musical influence.

surfboard dudes : OFWGKTA :: bill magill : sabbath

da croupier, Whiney referenced punk in one post, does he need to name a specific band for you to comprehend?

I haven't really seen Tyler talk in much depth about what he listens to in interviews. This one has a bit about it though
http://www.coolehmag.com/frontEnd/interview.php?i=51&s=101

Outside of your crew who/what do you listen to?

Me personally, Stereolab, James Pants, The Liars, Alen Tew, Grizzly Bear, Erykah Badu, shit like that.

You’re a Grizzly Bear fan?

Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.

I can’t stand them but that is beside the point. What interests me is that if I had to pick something diametrically opposite the music that you make, it would probably be something like Grizzly Bear. So what attracts you to them?

I don’t know, maybe it’s the chords or the way they set their shit up. I don’t listen to much rap, matter fact I kinda hate rap. If I listen to rap it will probably be Clipse, Eminem, Waka Flocka, fucking Nas, Outkast, and Snoop Dog and that is probably it if it’s not Odd Future. People sometimes forget that I am a producer too so I am into jazz and stuff like that…

(Interrupting) Oh, I am not surprised so much as curious.

Yeah, I am into the chord changes, and chord progressions and how they set shit up and where did that synthesizer come from. I like to listen to shit that I can think of videos while I am listening to. Most rap…I don’t want to sound like no elitist, faggot, backpacker who talks about how much the hate Gucci Man because I hate them…but music now is kinda wack. Pop sucks, rap sucks, most rock is starting to sound the same, and the Grizzly Bear album was one of my top three from last year along with Eminem. They brought some new shit to the table and I am a big fan of that shit.

Word, yeah, it was a lot of people’s album of the year, so I am sure you are probably onto something and I am just an old-ass hater. I hate Waka Flocka too.

I like Waka’s energy. Waka’s energy is just…oh my god nigga, put on some Waka Flocka around us Odd Future niggas and we go ape shit. I’m not kidding, something clicks and we just start bugging out. Don’t get me wrong, Gucci (Mane) swags it out! Without Gucci, it wouldn’t be no fucking Waka. But I think it’s cause Waka is so young and so fucking energetic that he makes shit niggas can just go skate to and fuck shit up. Like, last week we went egging and we were listening to Waka, hitting houses up. I don’t even have to say nothing about Gucci because he is like, in that legend category to me right now.

it's not even just lightning bolt, but chippendale, his art, and the fort thunder crowd, peter glanz, forcefield, paper rad etc. I see a lot of echoes, even if tyler is barely (if at all) aware of that crowd.

john, to defend odd future from whatever strawman said they weren't a beautiful blend of disparate influences (i just said people could have seen the "break from rap orthodoxy" in de la soul myself), whiney mentioned a bunch of indie and mainstream rap stuff (plus toro y moi), then said the band combined punk rock with the indie rock and all the other good. i joked that "pharrell is punk rock now?" he said i couldn't read. i asked him to point out the punk rocker he referenced in his list of influences. he said it wasn't meant to be a comprehensive list. I asked him to point out what i couldn't read. I don't think the problem is i'm not comprehending him, so much as its really easy to rile him up when he's in blurt mode.

lol he reps for Relapse

Okay yeah I'll agree that Whiney can be really easy to rile up sometimes, but I really think you're trying to nitpick something that isn't even an issue here.

well yeah, in response to the accusation that this thread is a bunch of people ignoring the rich tapestry OF is built on

it's not even just lightning bolt, but chippendale, his art, and the fort thunder crowd, peter glanz, forcefield, paper rad etc. I see a lot of echoes, even if tyler is barely (if at all) aware of that crowd.

yeah totally, kind of crazy how fast that sensibility's leaked into the pop art/design mainstream

innovative to combine the worst of eminem with the worst of pharell and the worst of indie & make something slightly more listenable than any of them

Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.
Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.
Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.
Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.

I don’t want to sound like no elitist, faggot, backpacker

I know it's "missing the point" or whatever to really hate the shit out of it every time a nineteen-year-old man uses "faggot" to mean "thing I don't like" but I fucking hate the shit outta this shit, not that it matters

but dude, it's just like...words...and shit...words can mean, like, anything if you think about it

O_O

too real

Who else can take rap, hip-hop, thrash..punk metal- take it, throw it in a can, spin it around, and come out with something that wasn't fertilizer- and it was the Bizkit, the Limp Bizkit, man.

well, fuck, upper miss...you have a point there...swag

it's definitely missing the point to call him a "a nineteen-year-old man" -- he's just a kid! a crazy precocious incorrigible kid! bless his heart!

someday he'll be an adult, but for now let him have his trampolines and hateful slurs, just for a few more years

when i was 19 i burned hobos for fun, now i offer to buy them subway, i'm pretty complex

i ate a lot of hamburgers a fries when i was 19

hamburgers a fries

markers revealing his inner crypto-swede

the punk thing seems like an easy but misleading call. "radicals" is kinda punky, i guess, but tyler's music doesn't otherwise justify the comparison.

if you're willing to say that juvenile transgression and iconoclastic nihilism = punk, it might make some sense

wilco saved markers from a life of wendys

looool aero & ums

not to hate, but i used "fag" and "gay" to describe lame (ha, slur) shit when i was like 13. in spokane, washington. in the early 80s.

by the time i was 16 it was starting to sound pretty gross to me, though.

let the healing begin here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcHxiWwubnk

oh god let's not relive the nardwuar section of this thread

yeah he definitely knows all about all that indie shit.

yeah but he actively distances himself from it.

when they started getting talked about on the philaflava forum (which has roots deep in the backpacker game, son) he came on and posted like "i'm so glad that you backpacker faggots that i really hate love our music"

sometimes being successful is about dissing the right ppl

oh cool rich wrote something: http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2011/05/tylers-gay-thing.html

Thats actually the best thing I've read re: that particular aspect of the Odd Future phenomenon.

what is with critics' burning desire to justify this dude's stuff -- its like theyre worried if they dare to say something against it the entire critical apparatus will disintegrate or they'll be consigned as contrarian trying-to-hards

too not to

Thats actually the best thing I've read re: that particular aspect of the Odd Future phenomenon.

― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:39 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well of course -- it backs up your POV re: the worth of their music relative to the rest of the genre