ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

"They've basically ignored any rap production developments since the neps"

also this is just wrong. see: bitch suck dick (which is blatantly crunk sounding and brilliant too)

(i'm the kinda guy who actually likes the bad horror rap parody as much as the anti-horror/gangster rap manifesto that follows.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V832kiE6Drw&playnext=1&list=PL663DB07D3E15536B

They've basically ignored any rap production developmentssince the neps

they aren't lifting their sound straight from the neptunes. the influence is there, but it's mixed with others and filtered through a very specific set of tastes, as whiney pointed out a while back.

i posted this on the goon thread i'm kinda starting to love death grips

yeah, saw that last night. so great! immediately went and downloaded the album, added "guillotine" to my mental list of favorite things. 2011 keeps getting better and better.

also this is just wrong. see: bitch suck dick (which is blatantly crunk sounding and brilliant too)

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:34 (37 minutes ago) Permalink

crunk was around at the same time as the neptunes stuff tyler listens to.

won't argue the point. novelty's great, but maybe being a few years behind whatever we're calling the sound of the moment isn't such a bad thing, long as you've got an aesthetic and perspective of your own.

ummm, what about lex luger/waka influence? seems p fucking huge part of OF.

how much of their music has even been made since "Hard In Da Paint" hit? seems like a pretty small amount.

tyler talks about waka, but i don't see the connection - production & rapping have almost nothing in common

you know what i feel kinda bad about? that juvenile has put out, like, five albums that i've never heard.

Fwiw I'm not saying they are influenced by indie rap, could be a coincidence. They just sound a lot like it

http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/10/odd-futures-tyler-the-creator-arrested

lol, this was at my highschool

thread summed up:

they sound a lot like pieces of Sensational and pieces of Waka and pieces of Neptunes and pieces of Lil B and pieces of Geto Boys and pieces of Toro Y Moi and pieces of Cannibal Ox and pieces of Wu Tang and HOW CAN ANYONE THINK THIS IS ORIGINAL?!?!?!?!

you know you're an indie rapper when you get arrested for dangerous skateboarding.

yeah but when you combine all that shit whiney you get something original. that's how original shit gets made.

i wouldn't say "original" though. personal. idiosyncratic.

thought whiney was joshin?

yeah but when you combine all that shit whiney you get something original. that's how original shit gets made.

― scott seward, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:35 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that's my point!

The question want about originality it was about 'innovation'

you dont think effortlessly combining all these disparate hip-hop and punk rock and indie rock sub-movements into something cohesive counts as innovative?

pharrell is punk rock now?

da croupier can't read now?

oh okay sorry. you people confuse me.

hey whiney can you point out the punk rocker for me here thanks: they sound a lot like pieces of Sensational and pieces of Waka and pieces of Neptunes and pieces of Lil B and pieces of Geto Boys and pieces of Toro Y Moi and pieces of Cannibal Ox and pieces of Wu Tang

i would but i can't read

in "goblin" when tyler complains about ppl comparing him to underground rappers he starts busting a faux-indie sage francis style, that's some next level funny shit right there

immortal tech-of-the-nique

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yeah that list was definitely intended as a complete and exhaustive list to Odd Future's influences. YOU SURE GOT ME

yeah he definitely knows all about all that indie shit.

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would like to read an interview where he talks about what he listens/listened to. is there one?

you dont think effortlessly combining all these disparate hip-hop and punk rock and indie rock sub-movements into something cohesive counts as innovative?

― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:48 (4 minutes ago) Permalink

not particularly so, certainly not to the extent being bandied about by the guardian. also, 'effortlessly,' is that like stacking-the-deck rock critic buzzword or what

i understand 'effortless' when used to describe specific techniques, but not for big high-concept 'blending of influences' ish like that.

yeah that list was definitely intended as a complete and exhaustive list to Odd Future's influences. YOU SURE GOT ME

whiney if you could direct me to what i apparently couldn't read then, i'd appreciate it

"faux-indie" is a strange construction in this context

simply being original can be pretty small-scale innovative anyway. dj quik is original, for sure, and his new record combines a bunch of different styles, but i wouldnt call it 'innovative' in the big-picture sense either

i understand 'effortless' when used to describe specific techniques, but not for big high-concept 'blending of influences' ish like that.

no, it makes sense. the effort shows when people try to mash together hip or "interesting" influences without a sense of personal/organic cohesion. buy whiney's description cuz the seams don't show in tyler's work, it's his style, and it seems of a piece.

the other aesthetic thread I pick up from tyler is the childhood innocence laced w/ weirder darker stuff, like he's trying to triangulate some lightning bolt / adventure time axis

maybe this is purely accidental... or maybe it's a clue...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/OFWGxTLET-6.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/mindflayer.jpg

well, i mean the obvious question is who else can do it, D40? I mean, I can see it a little bit in the indie-fueled stuff Cage and El-P were doing at the end of the 00s--(esp "I'll Sleep When Yr Dead" and "Hell's Winter"); but there's still elements of Sid Viciousness and contemporary witchwave and Pharrell (and yes, fashion and Tumblr) that those cats weren't touching

And I say "effortless" because it doesnt seem like a forced mashup like Th Corn Gangg or whatever

this album is fucking amazing.

expectations have been exceeded.

don't really need lightning bolt in there now that paper rad's on cartoon network, but yeah, OTM

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http://i.imgur.com/cgWqf.png

ok so the punk rock component is vague "elements of Sid Viciousness," not any actual audible musical influence.

surfboard dudes : OFWGKTA :: bill magill : sabbath

da croupier, Whiney referenced punk in one post, does he need to name a specific band for you to comprehend?

I haven't really seen Tyler talk in much depth about what he listens to in interviews. This one has a bit about it though
http://www.coolehmag.com/frontEnd/interview.php?i=51&s=101

Outside of your crew who/what do you listen to?

Me personally, Stereolab, James Pants, The Liars, Alen Tew, Grizzly Bear, Erykah Badu, shit like that.

You’re a Grizzly Bear fan?

Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.

I can’t stand them but that is beside the point. What interests me is that if I had to pick something diametrically opposite the music that you make, it would probably be something like Grizzly Bear. So what attracts you to them?

I don’t know, maybe it’s the chords or the way they set their shit up. I don’t listen to much rap, matter fact I kinda hate rap. If I listen to rap it will probably be Clipse, Eminem, Waka Flocka, fucking Nas, Outkast, and Snoop Dog and that is probably it if it’s not Odd Future. People sometimes forget that I am a producer too so I am into jazz and stuff like that…

(Interrupting) Oh, I am not surprised so much as curious.

Yeah, I am into the chord changes, and chord progressions and how they set shit up and where did that synthesizer come from. I like to listen to shit that I can think of videos while I am listening to. Most rap…I don’t want to sound like no elitist, faggot, backpacker who talks about how much the hate Gucci Man because I hate them…but music now is kinda wack. Pop sucks, rap sucks, most rock is starting to sound the same, and the Grizzly Bear album was one of my top three from last year along with Eminem. They brought some new shit to the table and I am a big fan of that shit.

Word, yeah, it was a lot of people’s album of the year, so I am sure you are probably onto something and I am just an old-ass hater. I hate Waka Flocka too.

I like Waka’s energy. Waka’s energy is just…oh my god nigga, put on some Waka Flocka around us Odd Future niggas and we go ape shit. I’m not kidding, something clicks and we just start bugging out. Don’t get me wrong, Gucci (Mane) swags it out! Without Gucci, it wouldn’t be no fucking Waka. But I think it’s cause Waka is so young and so fucking energetic that he makes shit niggas can just go skate to and fuck shit up. Like, last week we went egging and we were listening to Waka, hitting houses up. I don’t even have to say nothing about Gucci because he is like, in that legend category to me right now.

it's not even just lightning bolt, but chippendale, his art, and the fort thunder crowd, peter glanz, forcefield, paper rad etc. I see a lot of echoes, even if tyler is barely (if at all) aware of that crowd.

john, to defend odd future from whatever strawman said they weren't a beautiful blend of disparate influences (i just said people could have seen the "break from rap orthodoxy" in de la soul myself), whiney mentioned a bunch of indie and mainstream rap stuff (plus toro y moi), then said the band combined punk rock with the indie rock and all the other good. i joked that "pharrell is punk rock now?" he said i couldn't read. i asked him to point out the punk rocker he referenced in his list of influences. he said it wasn't meant to be a comprehensive list. I asked him to point out what i couldn't read. I don't think the problem is i'm not comprehending him, so much as its really easy to rile him up when he's in blurt mode.

lol he reps for Relapse

Okay yeah I'll agree that Whiney can be really easy to rile up sometimes, but I really think you're trying to nitpick something that isn't even an issue here.

well yeah, in response to the accusation that this thread is a bunch of people ignoring the rich tapestry OF is built on

it's not even just lightning bolt, but chippendale, his art, and the fort thunder crowd, peter glanz, forcefield, paper rad etc. I see a lot of echoes, even if tyler is barely (if at all) aware of that crowd.

yeah totally, kind of crazy how fast that sensibility's leaked into the pop art/design mainstream