ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

starting to wonder if eminems production is underrated

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:34 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can't wait for these underrated beats to ruin the yelawolf album

how about instead of cherrypicking the handful of decent songs the Neptunes made in that prolific 4-year-period you guys force yourself to listen to an hour or two of songs like "Flap Your Wings," "She Wants To Move," "Wind It Up" and "Money Maker," and "Can I Have It Like That"

hm weird i forgot abt yelawolf

i like non phixion!

dude i am a fan of fly or die

like the whole thing

i still like can i have it like that, for the beat and hook, not the verses

and i even like post-in search of NERD

its funny that i was talking yesterday with this dude who moved here from san fran - he used to run a small indie hiphop label thing - and we started out talking about odd future and eventually we were talking about anticon and coflow and all that and the late-90's underground thing and turntablism and how shitty most indie stuff was now in comparison to even the most low rent of low rent southern rap stuff and i showed him a roach gigz video he had never seen. odd future can spur conversation!

This thread fascinates me. Obviously these guys are compelling figures and I am slightly curious about hearing them, but the cynical part of me wonders if anyone would be spending any time talking about any of the production details were it not for the piles and piles of rape jokes constantly alluded to.

I also want to make a wholly unfair link to ICP but I have no problem believing that the rapping is zillion times better.

im warming to the album. and starting to find it funny. not in a 'lolz rape' way but just how hard theyre trying to be outrageous. the production def helps.

but if OF start to big up word sound and stuff like hawd-gankstuh-rappuh-MCs-wid-ghatz i might love them.

hawd-gankstuh-rappuh-MCs-wid-ghatz

^ha ha man that album so bonkers

altho we/i shd know better than to turn this into an indie-rap-what-if-lovefest, i wonder what theyd sound like with someone like prince paul producing them (ie someone who could put a bit more humour into their music, though tracks like fish have a certain ambiguously comic tone to them)

okay i just walked across the street to the stupid store and bought the deluxe edition. cost me a grand total of fifteen dollars and ninety three cents.

Even shit era neptunes beats had some swing and tension to them.people describe this as plodding for a reason; that's where the comparisons to early 00s indie rap come from. They've basically ignored any rap production developmentssince the neps

i don't find it plodding at all and there is plenty of tension. all i hear are possibilities when i listen to these guys. endless possibliities. the world is their dirty oyster.

its plodding but there is still tension and theres also a lot of other things to break the ploddingness up. and plodding or not, it is something novel and new theyve got.

"They've basically ignored any rap production developments since the neps"

also this is just wrong. see: bitch suck dick (which is blatantly crunk sounding and brilliant too)

(i'm the kinda guy who actually likes the bad horror rap parody as much as the anti-horror/gangster rap manifesto that follows.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V832kiE6Drw&playnext=1&list=PL663DB07D3E15536B

They've basically ignored any rap production developmentssince the neps

they aren't lifting their sound straight from the neptunes. the influence is there, but it's mixed with others and filtered through a very specific set of tastes, as whiney pointed out a while back.

i posted this on the goon thread i'm kinda starting to love death grips

yeah, saw that last night. so great! immediately went and downloaded the album, added "guillotine" to my mental list of favorite things. 2011 keeps getting better and better.

also this is just wrong. see: bitch suck dick (which is blatantly crunk sounding and brilliant too)

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:34 (37 minutes ago) Permalink

crunk was around at the same time as the neptunes stuff tyler listens to.

won't argue the point. novelty's great, but maybe being a few years behind whatever we're calling the sound of the moment isn't such a bad thing, long as you've got an aesthetic and perspective of your own.

ummm, what about lex luger/waka influence? seems p fucking huge part of OF.

how much of their music has even been made since "Hard In Da Paint" hit? seems like a pretty small amount.

tyler talks about waka, but i don't see the connection - production & rapping have almost nothing in common

you know what i feel kinda bad about? that juvenile has put out, like, five albums that i've never heard.

Fwiw I'm not saying they are influenced by indie rap, could be a coincidence. They just sound a lot like it

http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/10/odd-futures-tyler-the-creator-arrested

lol, this was at my highschool

thread summed up:

they sound a lot like pieces of Sensational and pieces of Waka and pieces of Neptunes and pieces of Lil B and pieces of Geto Boys and pieces of Toro Y Moi and pieces of Cannibal Ox and pieces of Wu Tang and HOW CAN ANYONE THINK THIS IS ORIGINAL?!?!?!?!

you know you're an indie rapper when you get arrested for dangerous skateboarding.

yeah but when you combine all that shit whiney you get something original. that's how original shit gets made.

i wouldn't say "original" though. personal. idiosyncratic.

thought whiney was joshin?

yeah but when you combine all that shit whiney you get something original. that's how original shit gets made.

― scott seward, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:35 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that's my point!

The question want about originality it was about 'innovation'

you dont think effortlessly combining all these disparate hip-hop and punk rock and indie rock sub-movements into something cohesive counts as innovative?

pharrell is punk rock now?

da croupier can't read now?

oh okay sorry. you people confuse me.

hey whiney can you point out the punk rocker for me here thanks: they sound a lot like pieces of Sensational and pieces of Waka and pieces of Neptunes and pieces of Lil B and pieces of Geto Boys and pieces of Toro Y Moi and pieces of Cannibal Ox and pieces of Wu Tang

i would but i can't read

in "goblin" when tyler complains about ppl comparing him to underground rappers he starts busting a faux-indie sage francis style, that's some next level funny shit right there

immortal tech-of-the-nique

xpost

yeah that list was definitely intended as a complete and exhaustive list to Odd Future's influences. YOU SURE GOT ME

yeah he definitely knows all about all that indie shit.

x-post

would like to read an interview where he talks about what he listens/listened to. is there one?

you dont think effortlessly combining all these disparate hip-hop and punk rock and indie rock sub-movements into something cohesive counts as innovative?

― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:48 (4 minutes ago) Permalink

not particularly so, certainly not to the extent being bandied about by the guardian. also, 'effortlessly,' is that like stacking-the-deck rock critic buzzword or what

i understand 'effortless' when used to describe specific techniques, but not for big high-concept 'blending of influences' ish like that.

yeah that list was definitely intended as a complete and exhaustive list to Odd Future's influences. YOU SURE GOT ME

whiney if you could direct me to what i apparently couldn't read then, i'd appreciate it

"faux-indie" is a strange construction in this context

simply being original can be pretty small-scale innovative anyway. dj quik is original, for sure, and his new record combines a bunch of different styles, but i wouldnt call it 'innovative' in the big-picture sense either