ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

I think Earl is more like Hubert Selby Jr.

His place in the indie music landscape is oddly most reminiscent of Salem, another gothic, often-derided group beloved by a core of committed young listeners but shrugged off by those with a more developed perspective.

i love odd future, hate salem, and this is still totally on the mark

the 8.0 is probably p4k's way of being ambiguous about what they thought about it. kind of like giving it bnm without actually doing that. 6.0 would draw too much attention, and hurt their 'credibility' after they've hyped OF so much.

Love the nu-RS nature to the rating politics there.

I just wish Ryan S would pull more Jann moves and drop random 10.0 reviews on old faves

is Walt Mink still going? they could have a Goddess In The Doorway moment.

lol @ the idea of rating politics

Yeah, let's not do this whole thing again

anyway I didn't realize Salem had such a young fanbase

i posted this on the goon thread i'm kinda starting to love death grips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E

I'm glad more ppl are warming up to goblin itt, felt like I was consoling a bunch of kids who didn't like their xmas presents back there. the album does waver between terrible emo nobody-understands-me skits and strong material, sometimes within the same song. wish there were more tracks like "analog" to balance out tyler's monomania.

don't see much connection between company flow/anti-pop consortium and OF stuff, besides being off-center rap music, but that's like saying butthole surfers and slipknot are both off-center rock music, i.e. not saying much at all.

tyler's got a very definite sound + sensibility, and it's informed as much by video game and cartoon music as it is by hip hop. what he really reminds me of is early 8bit ADHD bogdan raczynski stuff, soundtracks for imaginary rainbow ninja fights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ALy0HnHCY

aw man <3 death grips

also lol @ dude named death grips wearing his seatbelt

i mean the elephant in the room with tyler's production is neptunes, i think someone upthread said he used to post to a neptunes messageboard

i wonder if tyler likes sid roams

is Walt Mink still going? they could have a Goddess In The Doorway moment.

YOU ARE A GOLDEN GOD

The anti pop comparisons were just about the production

Also lots of producers are taking from video game music,i interviewed jeffro awhile back and he talked about movie and video game soundtracks more than rap beats (he did some nht beats too btw)

yeah neptunes is otm. he sounds like hes been listening to hall hath no fury quite a bit.

I think deej is def otm about this stuff having roots in 90s indie rap—especially Wordsound stuff like Sensational, mushier Madlib and JohnnyFromTheHospitul-era CoFlow. HOWEVER, I think the way Tyler puts it together is his own animal—pretty much no samples or scratching, nostalgic synths he cops from contemporary indie rock, that Dilla/Doom-style chopping he does with with his snares, lots of pitched-down/screwed up.

All these things have their antecedents, but it's a little disingenuous to say that together they don't make up something a little of new and different. And although Travis Porter's Atlanta06-meets-Bay07 amalgem is unique in its own way too, his sounds and compression levels definitely feel more in line with something that--surface level--could be on BET.

and I love Travis and OF btw

Tyler's bete noire Brandun DeShay is fond of a nice video game sample. See Hodgy Beats "Memorex Cds" and Danny Brown's "Lincoln Continental" from this year.

yeah neptunes is otm. he sounds like hes been listening to hall hath no fury quite a bit.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:32 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that's the thing, him being a Neptunes stan AND so young means he's probably more influenced by their shitty later beats than their actual 2000-2002 peak

Death Grips (that posted video in particular) kinda reminds me of Antipop Consortium more than Tyler does. But I haven't listened to Arrhythmia in fucking years, so what I remember vs. what's actually on the CD is debatable. Some of the other DG stuff I've heard reminds me of New Kingdom a little, but about 10% as good.

yeah that's the thing, him being a Neptunes stan AND so young means he's probably more influenced by their shitty later beats than their actual 2000-2002 peak

― some dude, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:12 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah he tweeted yesterday about putting on BAPE and dancing around his room to "04-07 neptunes classics" which has to be the biggest "ugh, son" ever

WHEN YOU THINK OF TYLER THINK OF A HARLEY

i can't wait for tyler's "hey, have you guys heard this song called 'kokomo'?!?!?!" phase

04-07 neptunes classics:

gwen stefani - hollaback girl
snoop dogg - drop it like it's hot/signs
mariah carey ft. snoop dogg - say something
ciara - i proceed
clipse - trill
pitbull - jealouso
sleepy brown - margarita
ll cool j - luv u better

and uhhhh that's p much it?

wikipedia says "wamp wamp" was originally meant for foxy brown but was given to clipse because of her hearing loss, is this true?!

crossover post to people that YELP are scumbags thread

STEAMED CHICKEN DUMPLINGS!, MUTHA- shut yo mouth. There are a lot of Thai restaurants on 9th Ave but Pam Real is OFWGKTA, no not Odd Future but rather Original F--kin' Wildin-out Good Killer Thai Authenticity

nah 04-07 isnt such a bad neptunes era. you have the timberlake stuff (i think), slim thug, hell hath (ie trill, wamp wamp, mr me too), i wouldnt sniff at any of those tracks on a best of neptunes cd.

OFWGKTA = the hiphop animal collective.

04 and part of 05 is pretty much the outermost border of when the neptues were great or merely defensible, any time after that is stockholm syndrome

i really dont see OF listening to el-p or co-flow though. never mind wordsound - if they knew about that stuff, id be amazed. they just seemed to arrive here through other means. im not familiar enough with all their music to really know their influences but its more probable that the plodding-ness and jarring element in their music is straight from pharrell and chad. i was also gonna say - UGH - eminems beats. but its def something new. i dont think its derivative.

starting to wonder if eminems production is underrated

yeah, no

Kinda agree with u there on the neptunes timeline jordan

you have the timberlake stuff (i think)

'02 neptunes

there are days when i put on kaleidoscope and think oh man why is the narrative of the world sad

starting to wonder if eminems production is underrated

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:34 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can't wait for these underrated beats to ruin the yelawolf album

how about instead of cherrypicking the handful of decent songs the Neptunes made in that prolific 4-year-period you guys force yourself to listen to an hour or two of songs like "Flap Your Wings," "She Wants To Move," "Wind It Up" and "Money Maker," and "Can I Have It Like That"

hm weird i forgot abt yelawolf

i like non phixion!

dude i am a fan of fly or die

like the whole thing

i still like can i have it like that, for the beat and hook, not the verses

and i even like post-in search of NERD

its funny that i was talking yesterday with this dude who moved here from san fran - he used to run a small indie hiphop label thing - and we started out talking about odd future and eventually we were talking about anticon and coflow and all that and the late-90's underground thing and turntablism and how shitty most indie stuff was now in comparison to even the most low rent of low rent southern rap stuff and i showed him a roach gigz video he had never seen. odd future can spur conversation!

This thread fascinates me. Obviously these guys are compelling figures and I am slightly curious about hearing them, but the cynical part of me wonders if anyone would be spending any time talking about any of the production details were it not for the piles and piles of rape jokes constantly alluded to.

I also want to make a wholly unfair link to ICP but I have no problem believing that the rapping is zillion times better.

im warming to the album. and starting to find it funny. not in a 'lolz rape' way but just how hard theyre trying to be outrageous. the production def helps.

but if OF start to big up word sound and stuff like hawd-gankstuh-rappuh-MCs-wid-ghatz i might love them.

hawd-gankstuh-rappuh-MCs-wid-ghatz

^ha ha man that album so bonkers

altho we/i shd know better than to turn this into an indie-rap-what-if-lovefest, i wonder what theyd sound like with someone like prince paul producing them (ie someone who could put a bit more humour into their music, though tracks like fish have a certain ambiguously comic tone to them)

okay i just walked across the street to the stupid store and bought the deluxe edition. cost me a grand total of fifteen dollars and ninety three cents.