ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

maybe goblin is like gzas first album on cold chillin then

Maybe stop comparing everything to fukkin wu tang

and i can say this about travis porter even more easily. your rhetoric here is concerned with tamping down on those who suggest that the current state of crit is concerned only with kingmaking artists w/in a certain milieu, afterwards coming up with 'innovative' justifications; you're simply trying to suggest that 'sometimes artists are overlooked'. the real state of things is, usually artists are overrated; jenkinson is 'innovative' for creating his own sound & so is basically any of 100 rappers i can think of from last year. freddie gibbs for exampel.

holy shit D-40 ate his wheaties this morning! also had no idea you repped for aes

scott p trolling whiney hard but will he take the bait??? film at eleven

His place in the indie music landscape is oddly most reminiscent of Salem, another gothic, often-derided group beloved by a core of committed young listeners but shrugged off by those with a more developed perspective.

its obv theyre patterning themselves on wu-tang in some way though (or just another big crew), taking the same kind of approach to signing multiple record deals, having full creative control etc etc. or maybe thats just so ingrained in every hip hop artists approach to record deal making since that you dont even have to remember what the wu did to do it the same way.

*they're just another big crew

I was just being flippant fwiw.

how was that an 8.0 review? Read more like a 6.0.

its ok, they are basically like wu-tang again, if wu-tang was more like d12

yes but the internet

I think Earl is more like Hubert Selby Jr.

His place in the indie music landscape is oddly most reminiscent of Salem, another gothic, often-derided group beloved by a core of committed young listeners but shrugged off by those with a more developed perspective.

i love odd future, hate salem, and this is still totally on the mark

the 8.0 is probably p4k's way of being ambiguous about what they thought about it. kind of like giving it bnm without actually doing that. 6.0 would draw too much attention, and hurt their 'credibility' after they've hyped OF so much.

Love the nu-RS nature to the rating politics there.

I just wish Ryan S would pull more Jann moves and drop random 10.0 reviews on old faves

is Walt Mink still going? they could have a Goddess In The Doorway moment.

lol @ the idea of rating politics

Yeah, let's not do this whole thing again

anyway I didn't realize Salem had such a young fanbase

i posted this on the goon thread i'm kinda starting to love death grips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E

I'm glad more ppl are warming up to goblin itt, felt like I was consoling a bunch of kids who didn't like their xmas presents back there. the album does waver between terrible emo nobody-understands-me skits and strong material, sometimes within the same song. wish there were more tracks like "analog" to balance out tyler's monomania.

don't see much connection between company flow/anti-pop consortium and OF stuff, besides being off-center rap music, but that's like saying butthole surfers and slipknot are both off-center rock music, i.e. not saying much at all.

tyler's got a very definite sound + sensibility, and it's informed as much by video game and cartoon music as it is by hip hop. what he really reminds me of is early 8bit ADHD bogdan raczynski stuff, soundtracks for imaginary rainbow ninja fights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ALy0HnHCY

aw man <3 death grips

also lol @ dude named death grips wearing his seatbelt

i mean the elephant in the room with tyler's production is neptunes, i think someone upthread said he used to post to a neptunes messageboard

i wonder if tyler likes sid roams

is Walt Mink still going? they could have a Goddess In The Doorway moment.

YOU ARE A GOLDEN GOD

The anti pop comparisons were just about the production

Also lots of producers are taking from video game music,i interviewed jeffro awhile back and he talked about movie and video game soundtracks more than rap beats (he did some nht beats too btw)

yeah neptunes is otm. he sounds like hes been listening to hall hath no fury quite a bit.

I think deej is def otm about this stuff having roots in 90s indie rap—especially Wordsound stuff like Sensational, mushier Madlib and JohnnyFromTheHospitul-era CoFlow. HOWEVER, I think the way Tyler puts it together is his own animal—pretty much no samples or scratching, nostalgic synths he cops from contemporary indie rock, that Dilla/Doom-style chopping he does with with his snares, lots of pitched-down/screwed up.

All these things have their antecedents, but it's a little disingenuous to say that together they don't make up something a little of new and different. And although Travis Porter's Atlanta06-meets-Bay07 amalgem is unique in its own way too, his sounds and compression levels definitely feel more in line with something that--surface level--could be on BET.

and I love Travis and OF btw

Tyler's bete noire Brandun DeShay is fond of a nice video game sample. See Hodgy Beats "Memorex Cds" and Danny Brown's "Lincoln Continental" from this year.

yeah neptunes is otm. he sounds like hes been listening to hall hath no fury quite a bit.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:32 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that's the thing, him being a Neptunes stan AND so young means he's probably more influenced by their shitty later beats than their actual 2000-2002 peak

Death Grips (that posted video in particular) kinda reminds me of Antipop Consortium more than Tyler does. But I haven't listened to Arrhythmia in fucking years, so what I remember vs. what's actually on the CD is debatable. Some of the other DG stuff I've heard reminds me of New Kingdom a little, but about 10% as good.

yeah that's the thing, him being a Neptunes stan AND so young means he's probably more influenced by their shitty later beats than their actual 2000-2002 peak

― some dude, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:12 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah he tweeted yesterday about putting on BAPE and dancing around his room to "04-07 neptunes classics" which has to be the biggest "ugh, son" ever

WHEN YOU THINK OF TYLER THINK OF A HARLEY

i can't wait for tyler's "hey, have you guys heard this song called 'kokomo'?!?!?!" phase

04-07 neptunes classics:

gwen stefani - hollaback girl
snoop dogg - drop it like it's hot/signs
mariah carey ft. snoop dogg - say something
ciara - i proceed
clipse - trill
pitbull - jealouso
sleepy brown - margarita
ll cool j - luv u better

and uhhhh that's p much it?

wikipedia says "wamp wamp" was originally meant for foxy brown but was given to clipse because of her hearing loss, is this true?!

crossover post to people that YELP are scumbags thread

STEAMED CHICKEN DUMPLINGS!, MUTHA- shut yo mouth. There are a lot of Thai restaurants on 9th Ave but Pam Real is OFWGKTA, no not Odd Future but rather Original F--kin' Wildin-out Good Killer Thai Authenticity

nah 04-07 isnt such a bad neptunes era. you have the timberlake stuff (i think), slim thug, hell hath (ie trill, wamp wamp, mr me too), i wouldnt sniff at any of those tracks on a best of neptunes cd.

OFWGKTA = the hiphop animal collective.

04 and part of 05 is pretty much the outermost border of when the neptues were great or merely defensible, any time after that is stockholm syndrome

i really dont see OF listening to el-p or co-flow though. never mind wordsound - if they knew about that stuff, id be amazed. they just seemed to arrive here through other means. im not familiar enough with all their music to really know their influences but its more probable that the plodding-ness and jarring element in their music is straight from pharrell and chad. i was also gonna say - UGH - eminems beats. but its def something new. i dont think its derivative.

starting to wonder if eminems production is underrated

yeah, no

Kinda agree with u there on the neptunes timeline jordan

you have the timberlake stuff (i think)

'02 neptunes

there are days when i put on kaleidoscope and think oh man why is the narrative of the world sad

starting to wonder if eminems production is underrated

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:34 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can't wait for these underrated beats to ruin the yelawolf album

how about instead of cherrypicking the handful of decent songs the Neptunes made in that prolific 4-year-period you guys force yourself to listen to an hour or two of songs like "Flap Your Wings," "She Wants To Move," "Wind It Up" and "Money Maker," and "Can I Have It Like That"

hm weird i forgot abt yelawolf