ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

this conversation is stupid by the way. my argument against the og post was they didn't subscribe to the quote, even if they once had a video loling at people in kangols. they were different but not that different. their records were still built on james brown and sly stone samples.

imo the whole "this is the start of SOMETHING NEW!!11111" line is often misplaced and kinda overblown, as though being a new artist needs to be a ~gamechanger~ in order to be seen as legit.

seriously. nobody knows what the future holds and that should be a reason for critics to focus on the past and present, not a free license to break out the crystal ball at every opportunity.

i did some on-the-field reporting for y'all

http://www.spin.com/articles/bruno-mars-responds-tyler-creators-dis

their records were still built on james brown and sly stone samples.

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and oddfuture is misogyny and shit talk over weird ominous electronic sounds and drum machines so different from, say, the last 10 years of hip hop

"by god i didn't buy buhloone mindstate so that you kids could lionize lil b!"

― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

NO SHIT! :)

ah it's "all good" as today's rap slangsters would say.

i think lil' b is way weirder than OF actually

i seriously tho need to retire from paying attention to hip hop, i should just get on those blogs and download crazy old albums and shit and just listen to all the stuff i missed the first time around

i am with tyler w/r/t his comments on bruno mars

"Tyler has to wait in line if he wants to stab me"

and oddfuture is misogyny and shit talk over weird ominous electronic sounds and drum machines so different from, say, the last 10 years of hip hop

ok? I didn't write the og quote?

imo the whole "this is the start of SOMETHING NEW!!11111" line is often misplaced and kinda overblown, as though being a new artist needs to be a ~gamechanger~ in order to be seen as legit.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:47 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah OTM. but that more down-to-earth POV overlooks the excitement and joy that accompanies the emergence of SOMETHING NEW!! i assume that the thrill of discovery is a big part of why we're all here.

matt, can i strongly recommend you subscribe to this dude's youtube channel?
http://www.youtube.com/user/ticoinjapan

Who will drop a dis track next? Or does the beef stop here?

does the beef stop here reminds me of that scene is 30 rock where alec baldwin is pumping himself up before a speech by looking at a mirror and going JUST DO IT IS IT IN YOU IM LOVING IT

i don't really see oddfuture as the start of something new, more like the most marketable and now manifestation of something that's been bubbling under the surface for a minute now
right on to whoever was calling goblin "an installment"; i could see where it would be hella :/ taken out of context.

in 30 rock xp

Whiney how could you interview Bruno Mars about "Yonkers" without also getting a response from him on my ilx display name "men are from mars, bruno has no penis"?

You guys.

Odd Future is made of a bunch of different elements that you can trace back to different subsets of hip-hop for many years. The fact that they are coalescing in this fashion is what's new.

http://h-6.abload.de/img/0371_s7wp.gif

ime most gamechangers aren't nec seen as such at the time b/c gamechanging is often a matter of slight, sometimes accidental shifting, not always totally abandoning what preceded it, rather than HI THIS IS SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW; and other times gamechangers are regional scenes that have been going on for a while and just happened to break through.

ie, its not that Nirvana invented "quiet verse, loud chorus"

who DID invent "quiet verse, loud chorus"?

::checks a box on the 'times Whiney mentions Nirvana on the Odd Future thread' tally sheet, takes shot::

He stole it from the Pixies iirc

::checks a box every time some dude makes a shitty post, takes shot, quickly dies of alcohol poisoning::

who'd the pixies steal it from? that probably goes back to gospel/classical music i'd guess.

yes, the idea of "dynamics" is as old as ears, forks, but it would be interesting to find its proper antecedent in pop music

it came from odd future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7DERJTTvU&feature=related

probably started with the doors then.

(i can do this all day, it's fun)

i dont think its always wrong to identify when artists are doing something new, i just think it tends to overemphasize critically acclaimed but otherwise unpopular artists when in reality the artists that tend to drive the direction of pop music are much more populist / 'cheesy' etc. i.e., there's nothing new about weeknd, they're just incorporating ideas already innovated in mainstream R&B. nb ive stolen this idea from simon reynolds who used squarepusher as his example of someone taking the innovations of grassroots while the press gives him credit for 'innovating' when all hes doing is making rave safe for 'serious listeners'

^^^^before ppl start coming w/ counterexamples, this is more a tendency than a rule or law

i just think it tends to overemphasize critically acclaimed but otherwise unpopular artists

i just think PEOPLE tend to do this, on ilx & in critical circles

basically, critics tend to be late to innovation

and only observe it when it surfaces in their circles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=horRWtbAJoI

Cringing big time over some of those comments in the blog that Morbs linked to. Lots of speculation that Tyler must be a closet case that beats his partner.

are you reading an Odd Future post or a Solar post?

kind of lol mostly sad :(

^^

i still get horrible indie rap in the mail - like, you know, backpacker indie stuff although people don't call it that anymore - and it often sounds like it was made a million years ago and its all so deadly boring. and thats why i like the odd future stuff. cuz its not that stuff. i think of them as being "indie". anyone who isn't friends with talib kweli is a friend of mine.

playing the troubadour tonight

i still get horrible indie rap in the mail

There's a whole movie script hidden in just this one brilliant sentence

haha truth

i dont think its always wrong to identify when artists are doing something new, i just think it tends to overemphasize critically acclaimed but otherwise unpopular artists when in reality the artists that tend to drive the direction of pop music are much more populist / 'cheesy' etc. i.e., there's nothing new about weeknd, they're just incorporating ideas already innovated in mainstream R&B. nb ive stolen this idea from simon reynolds who used squarepusher as his example of someone taking the innovations of grassroots while the press gives him credit for 'innovating' when all hes doing is making rave safe for 'serious listeners'

i, i, i dunno man. wanna call that whole debate horseshit. of course jenkins was an innovator, both as an instrumentalist and a music maker in general. this is true whether or not he invented all aspects of his sound and takes nothing away from anyone else. i love those who dig deep to shine light on those who've perhaps been unfairly overlooked in the rush to crown this or that new king, but hate the fact that it's so often predicated on senselessly trashing a strawman version of that king. innovation is cross-pollination and recontextualization as much as it is ex nihilo creation, and on that level, artists like jenkins deserve all the credit they receive, and more.

basically i LOATHE the argument that critical favorites are just weak, watered-down versions of some real-tru populist shit that's found in purer form at the grassroots level. i mean, it's often true on some level (when shorn of pejorative sneering), but it reeks of smug condescension. better to understand that all ideas come from somewhere, sure, but that origin points don't have a greater claim to legitimacy or authenticity than the other nodes an idea intersects with as it moves out into the world.

his name is jenkinson.

duh facepalm etc

i don't mean to be snide! i just love the truth

i do this kind of thing when i get worked up

going back and looking what you typed before hitting the button can be helpful, or so i have heard

Check this out you guys - he only mentions "faggots" nine times, compared with ten for "lakes"
http://www.thefader.com/2011/05/10/by-the-numbers-tyler-the-creators-goblin/

Odd Future is made of a bunch of different elements that you can trace back to different subsets of hip-hop for many years. The fact that they are coalescing in this fashion is what's new.

Whiney + Qoheleth otm

מַה־שֶּֽׁהָיָה֙ ה֣וּא שֶׁיִּהְיֶ֔ה וּמַה־שֶּׁנַּֽעֲשָׂ֔ה ה֖וּא שֶׁיֵּעָשֶׂ֑ה וְאֵ֥ין כָּל־חָדָ֖שׁ תַּ֥חַת הַשָּֽׁמֶשׁ

imo the argument deej should make here is: yes, innovation is relative to the existing scene at the time and not absolute, so advancing a scene or a certain sensibility/orthodoxy forward by introducing/reappropriating new elements is driving shit 'forwards'. however critics, the key topic of all music criticism, act like they're championing innovation in general but are actually only paying attention to innovation w/in certain scenes/sensibilities w/e.

as a lot of critics struggle w/ the notion that they are not being open to shit which is unprivileged, they can generally be convinced by critics like deej or lex or w/e to recognise these talents & rewrite the histories accordingly, at which point deej's eyes will moisten as the jacka finally gets overdue acclaim & whiney g weingarten will fart something about late passes

basically all i wanna know is how all this affects ilx's mythology

Check this out you guys - he only mentions "faggots" nine times, compared with ten for "lakes"
http://www.thefader.com/2011/05/10/by-the-numbers-tyler-the-creators-goblin/

― Number None, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:53 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark

cool, now name all the rap albums that have come out lately that use that work 10 times or more