ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

Q: is this line in Nitsuh's article OTM?

For all we know, Odd Future could be early instigators of a moment where hip-hop experiences the same spasms rock once did — the moment where its orthodoxies have started to seem old, bloated, or silly, so the anarchic freaks come rushing in to make it their creative playground.

he sort of hedges that one. i dont think theres a v good argument that this is the start of anything new

I would like to believe that the original draft of that line was "Perhaps the future of hip-hop is QUITE ODD INDEED!"

lol

I tend to agree with D-40, it's a huge statement not quite backed up with big arguments. But I like chewing on it, I have to admit.

I remember lots of AWFUL articles that were all 'lil jon and crunk is hip-hop's punk moment'

Other than Jay, Kanye and Em, I don't think there is some old culture that needs to be killed off. Hip-hop has always done that p naturally.

there are giant ads for this on some of streets around here now

a moment where hip-hop experiences the same spasms rock once did — the moment where its orthodoxies have started to seem old, bloated, or silly, so the anarchic freaks come rushing in to make it their creative playground.

you could have said this about de la soul

could you? when?

when they rushed in to mock old rap orthodoxies and make rap their creative playground, probably. ever seen the video for "Me, Myself & I"?

when de la soul started releasing records x-post

"old rap orthodoxies" of 1989?

do you need me to recommend you a book on the history of rap or something, wtf

consult your local library to learn more about "new school rap"

Ha. I just watched the Me Myself & I video and I guess you could put that phrase to them but you'd be stupid to do so. 3FHAR was post-Nations of Millions and it had been years since My Adidas, it just doesn't work.

(btw vote in the rap poll!)

happy odd future day, y'all!

goddam, [redacted]'s NYMAG piece is amazing. most useful and satisfying response to goblin i've read. and glad he highlighted the line about staying "at travis' pad with a backpack / for the whole week full of plastic-wrapped black tees," easily goblin's most affecting moment (not that there's much competition, mind). go mysterious, unnamed nymag writer guy!

um, and we talk about the "intelligence" of artists and music because we tend to enjoy things that strike us as intelligent, right? at least some of us do, sometimes. i mean, are smiths fans to be faulted for praising the intelligence of morrissey's lyrics?

i think in 1989 it would be no more stupid to write that "For all we know, Odd Future could be early instigators of a moment where hip-hop experiences the same spasms rock once did — the moment where its orthodoxies have started to seem old, bloated, or silly, so the anarchic freaks come rushing in to make it their creative playground" about de la soul than it is to write in 2011 about post-eminem backpackers. it's optimistic conjecture, and this isn't the first time some young upstarts in hip-hop have inspired it.

that said, I think the ny mag piece is pretty solid on the whole

a hoy hoy you don't know what you are talking about. de la and native tongues were seen just as (if not more) different and weird and break from rap tradition, the whole weird day glo hippie vibe was seen as radical.

NWA was gangsta, PE was political, Rakim was cool and inscrutable, Run-DMC was loud and triumphant but it was all street, it was all angry, De La totally turned things on their head, challenged people's perceptions of what hip hop was and could be to a degree that dwarfs whatever micro hairsplitting of horrorcore/eminem/misogyny shit that Odd Future is doing

that's not to mention Prince Paul and De La's kaleidescopic production, the odd in-jokes, the insular psychedelic vibe....

but yes you watched a youtube video and looked up what year something came out on wikipedia, checkmate. you know exactly how the culture of hip hop was at that time and how de la related to it.

not to mention prince paul's role in horrorcore!

in fact, De La Soul and native tongues was far and away more of a break with the rest of hip hop than Odd Future is now. lyrically, productionwise, imagewise, clothing, everything

they didn't have a tumblr, though.

when they rushed in to mock old rap orthodoxies and make rap their creative playground, probably. ever seen the video for "Me, Myself & I"?

yeah, but re n's comparison: the butthole surfers and dead milkmen raped the corpse of 70s rock in the 80s. which maybe leads us to think we could compare them with de la's late-80s subversion of rap orhtodoxies that had existed for a decade or so. but it's important to remember that the surfers (et al) were doing their deed in the wake of punk, an arguably more radical reaction against rock as history. mid 80s "anarchist" post punks were repudiating and cannibalizing 30 years of Important Rock Orthodoxy. and they were nasty as fuck about it, which gives n's angle some traction.

agree that it's too early to call OF the wedge end of a similar movement, but it is an interesting, even an exciting thought.

well now i've been told i don't know anything about hip-hop.

the 80s started with everyone in costume or dressed like sun ra. jungle brothers, esp. afrika were members of the zulu nation and SOTJ came out a year before 3 feet. de la were produced by the guy from stetsasonic. oh sorry they also didn't have the same hair cut as some other dudes and wore africa chains, because thinking about africa in the 80s was something radical no-one was doing.

so is this swag? (obv I never heard of these guys til the last Sunday Times)

anyway, the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets, so this should be fun:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/05/will-music-press-yawn-about-tyler.html

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets

i mean, are smiths fans to be faulted for praising the intelligence of morrissey's lyrics?

yes

imo the whole "this is the start of SOMETHING NEW!!11111" line is often misplaced and kinda overblown, as though being a new artist needs to be a ~gamechanger~ in order to be seen as legit. OFWGKTA or whoever could be the best thing ever and change nothing. (hiya electrik red.)

(yeah i know the headline of my own piece hinged on that but the headline was honestly quite bizarre and unexpected, i didn't think i was arguing that.)

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets, so this should be fun

xpost

i didn't say you didn't know anything about hip hop...JBs were out first, but native tongues was basically a single aethetic, though i think de la was more explictly different.

you can't say three years then is the same as three years now. it all moved so fast.

de la soul didn't really talk about africa.

prince paul's production on in full gear is way different than it was with 3 feet high and rising. their early shit like on fire is straight run-dmc, it's the same guy but stestasonic did not have the same flow or same vibe as native tongues.

they were perceived as different they were different at the time and that is a fact. when they first got on MTV raps it was like what IS this?

a good natured lol at matt getting heated at kids these days

i don't know anything about rap but i enjoy reading goon threads

forks how about you just go with "so is this swag?"

"by god i didn't buy buhloone mindstate so that you kids could lionize lil b!"

So Is This Swag: The Collected OFWGKTA Tweets
^whiney i found yr next tumblr-to-prinit idea

this conversation is stupid by the way. my argument against the og post was they didn't subscribe to the quote, even if they once had a video loling at people in kangols. they were different but not that different. their records were still built on james brown and sly stone samples.

imo the whole "this is the start of SOMETHING NEW!!11111" line is often misplaced and kinda overblown, as though being a new artist needs to be a ~gamechanger~ in order to be seen as legit.

seriously. nobody knows what the future holds and that should be a reason for critics to focus on the past and present, not a free license to break out the crystal ball at every opportunity.

i did some on-the-field reporting for y'all

http://www.spin.com/articles/bruno-mars-responds-tyler-creators-dis

their records were still built on james brown and sly stone samples.

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and oddfuture is misogyny and shit talk over weird ominous electronic sounds and drum machines so different from, say, the last 10 years of hip hop

"by god i didn't buy buhloone mindstate so that you kids could lionize lil b!"

― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

NO SHIT! :)

ah it's "all good" as today's rap slangsters would say.

i think lil' b is way weirder than OF actually

i seriously tho need to retire from paying attention to hip hop, i should just get on those blogs and download crazy old albums and shit and just listen to all the stuff i missed the first time around

i am with tyler w/r/t his comments on bruno mars

"Tyler has to wait in line if he wants to stab me"

and oddfuture is misogyny and shit talk over weird ominous electronic sounds and drum machines so different from, say, the last 10 years of hip hop

ok? I didn't write the og quote?

imo the whole "this is the start of SOMETHING NEW!!11111" line is often misplaced and kinda overblown, as though being a new artist needs to be a ~gamechanger~ in order to be seen as legit.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:47 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah OTM. but that more down-to-earth POV overlooks the excitement and joy that accompanies the emergence of SOMETHING NEW!! i assume that the thrill of discovery is a big part of why we're all here.

matt, can i strongly recommend you subscribe to this dude's youtube channel?
http://www.youtube.com/user/ticoinjapan

Who will drop a dis track next? Or does the beef stop here?

does the beef stop here reminds me of that scene is 30 rock where alec baldwin is pumping himself up before a speech by looking at a mirror and going JUST DO IT IS IT IN YOU IM LOVING IT

i don't really see oddfuture as the start of something new, more like the most marketable and now manifestation of something that's been bubbling under the surface for a minute now
right on to whoever was calling goblin "an installment"; i could see where it would be hella :/ taken out of context.

in 30 rock xp

Whiney how could you interview Bruno Mars about "Yonkers" without also getting a response from him on my ilx display name "men are from mars, bruno has no penis"?

You guys.

Odd Future is made of a bunch of different elements that you can trace back to different subsets of hip-hop for many years. The fact that they are coalescing in this fashion is what's new.

http://h-6.abload.de/img/0371_s7wp.gif

ime most gamechangers aren't nec seen as such at the time b/c gamechanging is often a matter of slight, sometimes accidental shifting, not always totally abandoning what preceded it, rather than HI THIS IS SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW; and other times gamechangers are regional scenes that have been going on for a while and just happened to break through.

ie, its not that Nirvana invented "quiet verse, loud chorus"