ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

a twitter discussion about the daddy stuff made me think of this amazing lost r&b single - in a parallel world the brittle acting out that teairra marí displayed here and all across her debut album would have received odd future-level attention and discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gx2FWn8SK4

she seems to still be gamely trying to resurrect herself from the elephant's graveyard of forgotten r&b babydivas!

i also somehow left out the way in which tyler's background and tough life (both actually fairly standard) is totally othered by liberal critics in order to rationalise why he needs to say what he does. it's weirder to me when i see critic types obviously getting off on his lyrics than it is hearing the lyrics themselves.

― lex pretend, Monday, May 9, 2011 11:53 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm not asking for a survey, but i'm not sure how true this is. i would say that tyler's background, present situation and "tough life" are totally othered by tyler himself. he relentlessly promotes these things as both explanatory and interesting in themselves. are liberal critics buying this? not sure. i mean, my dad split...

OTM about the striking eminem echoes though, mentioned that upthread.

i find the entire thing about earl's mother sending him to juvenile delinquent camp in samoa (!) and refusing to let him record music/give permission for his voice to be used totally fascinating

she sounds formidable and terrifying

i would say that tyler's background, present situation and "tough life" are totally othered by tyler himself

yeah this is true i guess. i don't wanna downplay it and say it's an inherently boring subject - it's just not inherently striking in itself either

will say this in tyler's defense, not that it's particularly meaningful...

spent saturday with some extended family, including a young [nonspecific family member] who's going through some seriously fucked up family shit. don't know him well, but he's a good kid with way too much garbage on his plate. half wished i could tell him to listen to "nightmare", cuz i suspect he could relate, maybe even use the support. but yeah, no fucking way.

goblin and especially "nightmare" seem aimed precisely at confused teenage guys, and that's maybe a good thing ... for confused teenage guys, if not for anyone else.

maybe. though "this music is balm to the souls of confused/emo teenagers" has never traditionally meant automatic critical acceptance.

i love this verse from that teairra marí song. so on point, and so good to hear coming from a teenage girl:

no, i don't strip in the club
nor trick in the club
but i got friends that do
so my girls that's gettin the dough
the best way they know
don't hate - girl, i got you
even though it ain't me - i understand
it's real in these streets - i understand
when it comes to that rent, that whip, that cheque
ain't nobody gon protect your neck like you

nice antidote to a thousand gross family guy-style jokes about strippers with daddy issues

That song's a little too Kelis-soundalike for me (musically, it's equal parts "Milkshake" and "Bossy") but yeah, it's kinda brilliant and should have been a massive hit.

in a parallel world the brittle acting out that teairra marí displayed here and all across her debut album would have received odd future-level attention and discussion.

..."this music is balm to the souls of confused/emo teenagers" has never traditionally meant automatic critical acceptance.

― lex pretend

two unrelated lex bits.

thing is, the critical acceptance of goblin is a product of and most interesting in light of odd future's marketing savvy. i mean, tyler's album is receiving all this hype not strictly for its own merits, but because OF have collectively done such a great job laying the groundwork. they've been telling a story for a couple years, and this is only the current (and most public) chapter. hell, their design work deserves at least as much credit for this album's reception as its content.

as the online music discussion progresses, it seems the hype cycle is becoming pathologically noisy and violent. is OF almost an incredibly blank canvas that critics are using (via the tumblr-o-sphere) to project their hysterical wishes for the next big thing to emerge and 'shock' them? it's almost like OF's history has happened so quickly that they're useless now. did tyler use a time machine to kill his own grandkid? their potential has been maximized before they've achieved any significant artistic accomplishments.

to me, the interesting and frightening thing about everything - much more than the music - is how the reblog nation has been harnessed to crown them as the next big thing, while never displaying any patience to wait for that chronological moment. it reminds me of the time the internet talked about kanye's album. anyone else noticed nobody talks about it anymore? anyone still listens to it?

(for the record, and in this context, i find Goblin boring as hell)

'all of the lights' still charting fwiw

^ good song

is it too obvious to point out that the backlash to the hype is equally predictable and short sighted?

yes

good thing i didn't then.

angel haze mixtape is fucking awesome btw, tkx lex

good piece, lex!

yeah i've read the whole thing now, great

yep co-sign its a really good piece

is OF almost an incredibly blank canvas that critics are using (via the tumblr-o-sphere) to project their hysterical wishes for the next big thing to emerge and 'shock' them? it's almost like OF's history has happened so quickly that they're useless now.

cuteforce otm

i think the odd future narrative for 99% of people who will listen to goblin is more like

jimmy fallon youtube -> yonkers youtube -> tyler, the creator goblin site:mediafire.com

throw ilx in front of fallon and that's me to a t
also add like seven fake downloads

lex i love u for getting lil b on the front page of the guardian website <3

flopson OTM, but it works differently for people (critics & fans) who've been engaged with OF for some time, and that's where most of the hype has come from. kind of surprised that anyone who hasn't been following OF would be blown away goblin taken in isolation.

i mean, it's an installment, and makes the most sense that way

on the radio yesterday afternoon, DJ ran "yonkers" into immortal technique's "bin laden", kinda funny

OF is 2011's chillwave -- a forced non-event that vaporized during its inception

WASHED OUT. WHAT HAPPENED?

if you say so

i bet its the same critics who praised 'glo-fi' praising this. even if the artists are still doing things, the excitement is completely gone

actually there's quite some buzz around the washed out album that's dropping soon

even if the artists are still doing things, the excitement is completely gone

there's a difference between what's going on in your head and what's going on outside it

is there? go on

cuteforce who are you you sound familiar

i'm new here. who are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW_LD1IdUKQ

he is steven tyler

really was disappointed gr80's yt wasn't "dude looks like a lady"

this washed out song is good!

still not heard this. but odd future are starting to appear like the new d12.

http://thequietus.com/articles/06232-tyler-the-creator-goblin-review

He later called his interrogator a "faggot" on Twitter. Most people should be able to judge whether Tyler The Creator is for them or not based solely on this information, thus side-stepping the whole "rape" and "faggots" "controversy".

does not compute

"limpid-Plaid style electronica"

"The person who Tyler The Creator reminds me of the most is not Eminem at his Relapse-era most amoral; certainly not the educationally subnormal Geto Boys, Nekro, 2LiveCrew, Cannibal Corpse, or Whitehouse. Neither is it Anal Cunt, XXXManiak, GG Alin, or Gorerotted. Instead, its Charles Bukowski"

oh fuck off really fuck you fuck off thanks fuck off thanks fuck off bye

yeah the bukowski thing was 'wtf lol WRONG'

tho i dont get why just for calling a journo a faggot, as opposed to all the other people tyler has called faggot, that should make us decide how we feel about tyler. rappers acting like immature prima donnas who dont like interviews shockah.

anyway, necro>>>tyler

oh fuck off really fuck you fuck off thanks fuck off thanks fuck off bye

I've put one of these unexpected and slightly daft (but potentially illuminating at the same time) comparisons in about 90% of the reviews I've done over the last decade and it never fails to amaze me that it's only ever provincial, English middle class hip hop fans who get so upset by them. While I'd be lying if I said I didn't realise each time how much upset it's going to cause, it's not the primary or even secondary motivation. I just get bored of reviews that solely consist of, "Well it's ok and it's not that much different from some other OFWGKTA albums, like Peter Sutcliffe fronting Company Flow".

That said, I didn't mean to upset you this much. I'm sure with CBT and medication you will finally get some semblance of your life back after this outrage. You'll probably want to avoid reading my Waka FF piece next week tbh.

to be fair it's probably only provincial middle class english people reading your reviews, so?

provincial, English middle class hip hop fans

hahahahaha provincial?

Using "provincial" and "English" in the same sentence is kinda redundant in my experience.