Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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There's a reason Brent D is a laughingstock and sometimes we need a reminder!

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, late to this one. The brilliance of Steely Dan doesn't need my defending, but I will say that my years of greatest Dan love were also my punk-rock years.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

And for sinister drug tales, there's...

Charlie Freak had but one thing to call his own
Three weight ounce pure golden ring no precious stone
Five nights without a bite
No place to lay his head
And if nobody takes him in
He'll soon be dead
On the street he spied my face I heard him hail
In a plot of frozen space he told his tale
Poor man, he showed his hand
So righteous was his need
And me so wise I bought his prize
For chicken feed

Newfound cash soon begs to smash a state of mind
Close inspection fast revealed his favorite kind
Poor kid, he overdid it
Embraced a spreading haze
And while he sighed his body died
In fifteen ways

When I heard I grabbed a cab to where he lay
'Round his arm the plastic tag read D.O.A.
Yes Jack, I gave it back
The ring I could not own
Now come my friend I'll take your hand
And lead you home

Used to play a pogo-ized cover of that.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I say this every time they come up, and maybe it's ad nauseum, but I think it matters to how I listen to the Dan and how I listen to everything else, but they were my very favourite band between the ages of 8-13 or so. I never knew the 'coke-addled dinosaur' myth, I just plunged right in. I've gone through stages of listening to them less, for sure, but since I picked up all the CD reissues last summer, it's been a fairly continuous dan-fest. Also, spending time on ILM reading these testimonials, esp. from Jody and J0hn; it's quite intoxicating.

I listened to 'Gaucho' tonight while doing dishes; it's my favourite, along with 'Countdown to Ecstasy' and 'Everything Must Go'. 'Katy Lied' is close.

I still haven't gotten over 'Pixeleen'. The bass line moving into the chorus.. i used 'luxury sedan' to describe this one before; so sleek and powerful, 'symmetrical and clean', but maybe limousine is better? and in the best, most evil, sense, not the bullshit up thread. I still can't get at what level of exploitation this song is about, and whether any laws are being broken. maybe that's not the point.. i'm swooning, regardless. No kidding; I've just listened to the damn song 4 times over while writing this. Everything about me is different/Symmetrical and clean

oh, hey, construction of the feminine in 'Green Book' paired with 'Pixeleen' Now where'd we sample those legs/I'm thinking Marilyn 4.0 in the Green Book // She's kinda cute but a little younger/She got the mood and the moves segue into my three times perfect ultrateen // my sleek and soulful cyberqueen, and always, ever Everything about me is different/Symmetrical and clean

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, stupid Brent D. I remember that review too; it's what finally polarized me against Pitchfork back in the day. J0hn's response upthread is a perfect summation.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and Gear, i kiss you for your incessant starting of threads re; the Dan and St. Et, my two favourite bands.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Those are both from their first album, and they hadn't really developed their chops yet.

"Rikki" is from the second album, and the "chops" issue is irrelevant because most of the flashy playing in the early years was done by Dias/Baxter/various session guys.

stockholm cindy, montessori emo superstar (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rikki" is from the 3rd album actually.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rikki" is from the 3rd album actually

Oh yeah. My bad. I got that confused with "Reelin' in the Years."

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, you're right. completely forgot about countdown to ecstasy.

stockholm cindy, montessori emo superstar (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I still need to acquire CTE, especially since a lot of SD enthusiasts swear it's the best one.
I still haven't heard The Royal Scam, Gaucho or the reunion stuff either.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

They deserve great praise for having a saxophone player named Cornelius Bumpus

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i just bought Can't Buy A Thrill on vinyl, and the liner notes alone are k-classic (especially since i have no turntable).

what's up with the snide comments after the song titles, though? some make sense ("Only A Fool Would Say That" - A message cha-cha), but some i can't figure out ("Fire In The Hole" - How's my little girl?).

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The Royal Scam is so slept on. "Kid Charlemagne" alone makes it probably their second-best record. The title track has this great, weird John Ford/Cole Porter/National Geographic epic sweep to it, too.

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm trying to find the commonalities b/t cole porter, john ford, and nat'l geographic....

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ford=epic hugeness
porter=lyrical tinges
nat'l geo="Colors from their sunny island/From their boats of iron/
They looked upon the promised land/Where surely life was sweet"

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 16 September 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice to see such love for the Dan. I don't have much to add except to note that I was pleased recently to see nerd hero Alton Brown big-up Steely Dan in the acknowledgements section of his (great) cookbook, 'I'm Just Here For The Food,' to whit:

"Steely Dan: band/source of good vocabulary words"

Been listening to "Everything Must Go" a lot recently. Pixeleen is one of the best things they've ever done, surely?

retort pouch (retort pouch), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"Steely Dan: band/source of good vocabulary words"
Yeah, but could they fit "parthenogenesis" in anywhere? Huh?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 19 September 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Steely Dan is one of the best bands ever -- and as good a choice as any for the best -- for three reasons. They did it their way, the relationship between their music and their lyrics is irreducibly complex, and the Huysmans-like hermeticism that their production and arrangements signify is always in perfect dialectic balance with Donald Fagen's undeniable vocal resemblance to Winnie The Pooh.

http://www.numbertwopencil.net/graphics/withdonaldfixed.jpg

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

For the record, the best part of that Pitchfork review is that it never ever mentions a single lyric, not even the one about trying to fuck your cousin. It's as though Fagen were singing in Kobaian, or the reviewer had a form of brain damage worthy of study by Oliver Sacks.

http://www.berklee.edu/commencement/2001/images/Fagen_podium2.jpg

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i just bought Can't Buy A Thrill on vinyl, and the liner notes alone are k-classic

"...spilled their seed on baren ground." indeed. I love all from the first to Aja, but thought Gaucho was pretty hollow. I should get back to it because a lot of people like it. Haven't got either of the new ones, because they seem more Gaucho than pre-Gaucho.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I could've swore that "Kid Charlemagne" was used as the name of a character/story/whatever by William Gibson, but I'd gotten him mixed up w/Paul Di Filippo! except that William Gibson did have a bunch of Steely Dan references!

etc, Monday, 20 September 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Kid Charlemagne didn't originate as a nickname with the Dan, as I recall; the song is about a real-life drug guru in San Francisco. I think he was already termed KC before the song but I could be wrong.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 20 September 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Fred Kaplan, in Slate:

Here's another way to read this contrast between Fagen's vocals and the music: A Steely Dan album is a trip through the warped mind of our unreliable narrator (as played by Fagen), and the ultra-polished instrumentals reflect the idealized soundtrack that he hears in his head as the stories and fantasies unspool. (Don't we all, at certain times, to some degree, amble through life with a soundtrack playing in our heads, lending rhythmic drama to the random humdrum?)

As evidence for this interpretation, I direct you to The Nightfly, Fagen's 1982 solo album, not just one of the great pop albums but one of the great pop album covers. The front cover shows Fagen as a disc jockey at 4:09 a.m., chain-smoking Chesterfields, a Sonny Rollins LP on the turntable. The back cover shows a suburban house, one of a row of identical houses, except in this one, a light glistens through an upstairs window. The sky shows the hint of dawn. By inference, it's 4:09 a.m., and the kid upstairs—the only person awake in the neighborhood—is listening to the disc jockey. Fagen's liner notes suggest that The Nightfly is autobiographical. It's about the adolescent Fagen listening in the wee hours to cool jazz on the radio—while also imagining that he's the DJ, "Lester the Nightfly" of "WJAZ," as the album's title song calls him, spinning "sweet music/ … till the sun comes through the skylight." Or maybe it's about Lester, spinning records while reminiscing about the all-night listening sessions of his youth. Either way, the covers (both in gleaming black-and-white) present an image of music as the perpetual soundtrack and the creative fount of an imaginative life.

I would also cite the technical credits (clearly written by Fagen, Becker, or both) on Steely Dan's 1975 album, Katy Lied: "Steely Dan uses a specially constructed 24-channel tape recorder, a 'State-of-the-Art' 36-input computerized-mixdown console … some very expensive German microphones … a Neumann VMS 70 computerized lathe equipped with a variable pitch, variable depth helium cooled head." There's a deliberate stratagem to these gushings. They convey the clear impression (even to a reader who doesn't know what they're talking about) that the boys of Steely Dan get to play with dream-fantasy gear in a dream-fantasy studio: the hi-fi geek's equivalent of driving an Audi TT, lounging in a comfy Eames chair, or dating a girl like Tuesday Weld—to name a few dream-fantasies mentioned by the narrator in some Steely Dan songs. It all reinforces the sense, if only subconsciously, that this record you're listening to is a dream-fantasy, the inner soundtrack to an ordinary guy's secret story, for else how could a voice like Donald Fagen's—in other words, like yours or mine—get backup from a band that sounds so damned impeccable? 

http://patstjohn.com/Graphics/Gallery/Donald_Fagen.jpg

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

it's amazing how eager steely dan fans are to "rationalize" the backing music. OH NO YOU MIGHT LIKE LIGHT JAZZ OH NO

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

: o

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

having gone thru stages where I simply dismissed Steely Dan as what-was-wrong-with-'70s, now I enjoy them for what they were. They simply wanted to make perfect records with a twist and I can live with that just like I can live with punk records that are far from perfect, whatever that really means.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Fagen looks like a cross between Ralph Nader and Jeff Goldblum in that B&W photo!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I love all from the first to Aja, but thought Gaucho was pretty hollow

this was me from the moment I became infatuated with Becker-Fagen until about 3 months ago. I *still* think it's my least favorite of the original seven (I only wish Darn1elle were around to give me hell for it) but the title track has slowly become one of my favorite tunes ever. Great lyrics, if oblique (but, hey, that's one of SD's primary charms, right?). Is it a gay love triangle? What the hell is a Custerdome? Whatever, it rules.

Will (will), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

From the 8/1/04 NYT Book Review:

To the Editor:

In his review of Hendrik Hertzberg's ''Politics'' (July 4), Richard Brookhiser reveals what seems to be multiple personality disorder. Brookhiser the writer can't help praising Hertzberg's skill (Hertzberg is ''amusing, insightful''; he delights the reader), but then Brookhiser the right-wing hit man pops up with the condemnations (''bland'' and ''boring to read''). Brookhiser's giddy oscillations make him sound like the Nutty Professor and deny your readers a serious review of Hertzberg's book

Donald Fagen
New York

http://www.numbertwopencil.net/graphics/fangen.jpg

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what happened to the period at the end of the sentence there -- that's my fault. And I'm 99% certain it's the same Donald Fagen; I mean, 'giddy oscillations'?

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

having gone thru stages where I simply dismissed Steely Dan as what-was-wrong-with-'70s, now I enjoy them for what they were. They simply wanted to make perfect records with a twist and I can live with that just like I can live with punk records that are far from perfect, whatever that really means.

Nothing wrong with liking either approach to making records. Or both. I certainly do.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think people who dislike Steely Dan without having heard them think they're some kind of tedious jazz fusion/cocktail eezee listening hybrid.

That's basically how I see them, though I have heard a few of their songs (because my dad likes them). It really just doesn't sound like something I could get into. Maybe someday...

sleep, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you like SONGCRAFT?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't understand how anybody can not adore Steely Dan. I assume people who don't are replicants or something.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

VOIGHT-KOMPF TRANSCRIPT #6663, EXCERPT 1

Holden: You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of the sudden-
Leon: Is this the test now?
Holden: Yes. You're in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down-
Leon: What one?
Holden: What?
Leon: What desert?
Holden: It doesn't make any difference what desert, it's completely hypothetical.
Leon: But how come I'd be there?
Holden: Maybe you're fed up, maybe you want to be by yourself, who knows? You look down and you see Donald Fagan crawling toward you-
Leon: Donald Fagan, who's that?
Holden: Know who Walter Becker is?
Leon: Um, yeah.
Holden: His partner.
Leon: I've never seen Walter Becker. (pause) But I understand who you mean.
Holden: You reach down, you kick Donald Fagan over on his back, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden, or do they write them down for you?
Holden: Donald Fagan lays on its back, his belly baking in the hot sun beating its legs trying to turn himself over but he can't, not without your help, but you're not helping.
Leon: What do you mean I'm not helping?
Holden: I mean, you're not helping. Why is that Leon? (pause) They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. (pause) Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things that come in to your mind about... robotic, steam-powered stainless steel dildos.
Leon: robotic, steam-powered stainless steel dildos?
Holden: Yeah.
Leon: Let me tell you about dildos... (BANG!)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

robotic, steam-powered stainless steel dildos

Mary is strapping on a rubber penis: "Steely Dan III from Yokohama," she says, caressing the shaft. Milk spurts across the room.

"Be sure that milk is pasteurized. Don't go giving me some kinda awful cow disease like anthrax or glanders or aftosa..."

"When I was a transvestite Liz in Chi used to work as an exterminator. Make advances to pretty boys for the thrill of being beaten as a man. Later I catch this one kid, overpower him with supersonic judo I learned from an old Lesbian Zen monk. I tie him up, strip off his clothes with a razor and fuck him with Steely Dan I. He is so relieved I don't castrate him literal he come all over my bedbug spray."

"What happened to Steely Dan I?"

"He was torn in two by a bull dyke. Most terrific vaginal grip I ever experienced. She could cave in a lead pipe. It was one of her parlor tricks."

"And Steely Dan II?"

"Chewed to bits by a famished candiru in the Upper Baboonsasshole. And don't say 'Wheeeeeeee!' this time."

"Why not? It's real boyish."

"Barefoot boy, check thy bullheads with the madame."

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(just thought should be on here for the record)

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

that's the original burroughs text? fantastic! i've never read it before.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes indeed! I copied it diligently verbatim from p.83 of Naked Lunch. The Dan got their name from THAT. No wonder they rule so much. As if anyone getting their name from THAT could possibly ever suck.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Steely Dan's favorite chord, the 'mu major'. For music nerds, it's basically an add2 with specific voicing. A little extra something in the chord for the listener at home: that's the 'Steely Difference'(R)!

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

custos is brilliant

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I recognized Naked Lunch, but yeah, where the hell did that desert dialogue come from?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

And if only Two Against Nature had been released by Steely Dan II.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(it came from blade runner in reference to noodle vague's comment about replicants)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, mookieproof.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

From some message board, which I found when following up on a comment on another SD thread about how The Nightflyis one of Donny Osmond's all-time favorite albums:

ame: Razor Boy
[email protected]
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 21:27:00
Comments:

The talk about the Oscars show tweaked my memory to that most gruesome of Steely Dan moments, when Donnie Osmond sang the first two verses of "Peg" during some Miss Teenage America Pageant in the late '70's. It made me a touch numb, and my mother asked me what the fuss was all about, after I lost my sense of decorum and uttered the most graphic of expletives. I told her that she wouldn't understand, and sucked it up and listened to Donny butcher the song.

http://www.retrocrush.com/archive2003/costumes/osmonddonny.jpg


My God, what I wouldn't give for that tape. Incidentally, all of that message board seems about this tightly wound.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I'm having a brutal Steely Dan phase. I've listened to Countdown to Ecstasy about 20 times in the last 2 days, and it's not enough. Now I'm drunk as fuck and I'm going to stay up all night with it on rotation. Please note: I'm restraining myself from asking why everybody doesn't live with this thing forever. The slide on "Pearl of the Quarter". Fuck Music. Just submit, mother-lovers.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 26 November 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you ever listened to Super Furry Animals "The Man Don't Give a Fuck"? Everything else I've heard by them has bounced off me without effect, but that song's sample from "Show Biz Kids" is quite possibly my favorite loop-as-hook ever.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 26 November 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)


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